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    Re: North Korean Rocket fails, hours after claiming success.

    Quote Originally Posted by thabigred View Post
    It is not our place to judge the Norks way they do business, if it wasn't north korea doing this it would be some other nation. Look the world is a pretty ****ed up place, and until they threaten America, nothing gives us the right to accpet anything from them.


    During the famine in the late 90's in North Korea, it was estimated that about 600,000 people died from starvation. Compared to the famine in the early part of the century in China, those were small numbers. I remind you Mao was a good friend of many US presidents. Why is China exempt from potical strife? How come we didn't go kick there ass when the took Tibet in 49'?
    In 1949 we were in no place to start another war, especially not with China and by proxy the Soviet Union. We were still licking our wounds from the last one. Mao was never a "friend" of the US until Nixon, Kissinger, and their Real Politik gang came into power. Nixon accepted the PRC's ludicrous "one China" policy, contrary to overwhelming public opinion.

    I'll tell you why, because America picks it's battles, it's a bunch of hypocritical bull**** that all you idiots feed into.
    "Discretion is the better part of valor."

    How about you save the the hypocritical authoritarian response to North Korea conflict?


    According to a study done in 1999, 300,000 Americans will die every year from obesity.
    The government of the US has no power over how much people eat. This isn't North Korea ya know.

    What is better a nation of people that won't stop shoving there mouths full of food or a nation that is afraid the next powers to be will pick a fight with them.
    They're not mutually exclusive, ya know.

    I will explain again why North Korea is doing what they do now. In the early part of the century they almost were conquered by China and Japan, they constantly got **** from the Russians and finally in a desperate attempt to lash out against communism, America kicked there ass in the 60's.
    You are deluded. The Soviets BUILT the DPRK. The Soviets filled in the vacuum after the Japanese withdrawal from the peninsula. If it weren't for the presence of US forces, the whole peninsula would be in the same disgusting totalitarian state as the DPRK. The DPRK started the Korean War. They launched an attack against the RoK despite the fact that the regimes of China and Russia did not want them to because they did not want to be drawn into a broader conflict with the United States. And the war was in the 50's, not the 60's.

    How can a country open up to be non-isolationist when they have been threatened to be conquered by large super powers?
    Who's threatened that?

    Seriously Americans act as if that if it hasn't happened within the past 10 years, the country has no right to feel threatened by something.


    All we are doing is provoking them to push harder to developing a missile that can reach the US, and guess what.
    Please elaborate.


    It's not like they are re-inventing the wheel here, it would do Americans a lot of good to just leave the norks alone.
    Nope, most of their technology is derived from Chinese and Russian technology.
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    Re: North Korean Rocket fails, hours after claiming success.

    Quote Originally Posted by thabigred View Post
    What does that have to do with anything?

    Plently of democratic capitalistic nations fail there countries all the time, look at CAPITALIST DEMOCRATIC Mexico. People are leaving in the thousands every year in search for better life in America.
    The Mexican government is corrupt, top to bottom.

    They under produce grain for there people and are forced to import it just like North Korea imports grain from China.
    There's nothing wrong with importing food. The problem with the DPRK is they've destroyed their economy to such an extent that they need HANDOUTS to survive. They are living off of state welfare.

    Really save me the hypocritical obvious response.

    North Korea is the Mexico of Asia.

    Who are we to judge them?
    I'm sorry. This is an insane position.

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    Re: North Korean Rocket fails, hours after claiming success.

    Quote Originally Posted by Khayembii Communique View Post
    I was just offering a little perspective on the North Korean issue, and find it comical that many westerners - typically Americans - attempt to paint North Korea as this totalitarian prison nation filled with ultra-nationalist lemmings led by a clinically insane leader bent on destroying/taking over the world.
    As it happens ... that is an accurate description of North Korea.

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    Re: North Korean Rocket fails, hours after claiming success.

    Quote Originally Posted by thabigred View Post
    What does that have to do with anything?

    Plently of democratic capitalistic nations fail there countries all the time, look at CAPITALIST DEMOCRATIC Mexico. People are leaving in the thousands every year in search for better life in America.

    They under produce grain for there people and are forced to import it just like North Korea imports grain from China.

    Really save me the hypocritical obvious response.

    North Korea is the Mexico of Asia.

    Who are we to judge them?
    Mexico "under produces" grain because its climate is ill suited for grain, except corn. Canada and the northern parts of the USA are great places to grow grains like wheat, oats, barley, etc. Rice needs a LOT of water, like in southeast Texas, Louisiana, very wet areas. I suppose Mexico has a FEW places like that.
    I thought everybody knew that....
    And we are not judging THEM, we are judging the minority in power who enslave their own people.
    Yes, Americans tend to be fat. It is called discretionary income, money above and beyond the minimal needs for survival. IF we didn't have extra income, we couldn't donate money to feed so many starving people all over the world. Is Dear Leader exporting anything to help others?
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    Re: North Korean Rocket fails, hours after claiming success.

    Quote Originally Posted by BulletWounD View Post
    The government of the US has no power over how much people eat. This isn't North Korea ya know.
    Under the Commerce Clause in the 10th Amendment, the Federal government has the right to ban the sale and possession of any good no matter what it's uses. So yes if the government wanted to, they could under the powers of the constitution limit you from eating what you want.

    In 1949 we were in no place to start another war, especially not with China and by proxy the Soviet Union. We were still licking our wounds from the last one. Mao was never a "friend" of the US until Nixon, Kissinger, and their Real Politik gang came into power. Nixon accepted the PRC's ludicrous "one China" policy, contrary to overwhelming public opinion.
    I'm sorry, I got Mao mixed up with Stalin for a second.

    Lets just take a look at another communist leader who saw millions die from famine and built up a grand military. Where were the western super-powers when Stalin was building his empire?

    They were on the sidelines praising Stalin. Both Truman and Churchill praised Stalin, most notably Churchill.


    Please elaborate
    Think of it along these lines, America is the cat and NK is the mouse. Eventually that mouse will attack with all it's got if you back them into a corner far enough. By expecting them to not develop the same weaponry most of there neighboring countries already have stockpiled, they will only push towards the weaponry even harder.
    "Discretion is the better part of valor."
    "Speak softly and carry a big stick, and you will go far."

    America is not speaking softly are they.

    They are breaking the first rule to an important foreign policy.

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    Re: North Korean Rocket fails, hours after claiming success.

    Quote Originally Posted by thabigred View Post
    Under the Commerce Clause in the 10th Amendment, the Federal government has the right to ban the sale and possession of any good no matter what it's uses. So yes if the government wanted to, they could under the powers of the constitution limit you from eating what you want.
    Are you trolling or do you believe this?

    I'm sorry, I got Mao mixed up with Stalin for a second.
    Stalin was an Ally in the war against the Nazis. Our flaw was that we trusted him too much.

    Lets just take a look at another communist leader who saw millions die from famine and built up a grand military. Where were the western super-powers when Stalin was building his empire?
    Fighting him to the best of our ability....

    They were on the sidelines praising Stalin. Both Truman and Churchill praised Stalin, most notably Churchill.

    Think of it along these lines, America is the cat and NK is the mouse. Eventually that mouse will attack with all it's got if you back them into a corner far enough. By expecting them to not develop the same weaponry most of there neighboring countries already have stockpiled, they will only push towards the weaponry even harder.
    We haven't "backed them up into a corner." They've backed THEMSELVES up into a corner.

    "Speak softly and carry a big stick, and you will go far."

    America is not speaking softly are they.

    They are breaking the first rule to an important foreign policy.
    Sure we are. Our rhetoric is pretty tame compared to the KWP's "smash the warmonger," "turn seoul to ashes" rhetoric.

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    Re: North Korean Rocket fails, hours after claiming success.

    Quote Originally Posted by UtahBill View Post
    Mexico "under produces" grain because its climate is ill suited for grain, except corn. Canada and the northern parts of the USA are great places to grow grains like wheat, oats, barley, etc. Rice needs a LOT of water, like in southeast Texas, Louisiana, very wet areas. I suppose Mexico has a FEW places like that.
    I thought everybody knew that....
    And we are not judging THEM, we are judging the minority in power who enslave their own people.
    Yes, Americans tend to be fat. It is called discretionary income, money above and beyond the minimal needs for survival. IF we didn't have extra income, we couldn't donate money to feed so many starving people all over the world. Is Dear Leader exporting anything to help others?
    Actually Mexico could be one of the biggest producers of grain in the world, except when Norman Borlaug went down to Mexico to teach there people to grow grain, the Mexican people denied him the ability to teach him his techniques. Norman after that decided to go to formerly famine struck China and taught them how to produce grain, giving them such better ability to grow grain that they are now the second largest producer of it in the world.

    I thought EVERYBODY knew that.

    Mexico is a country that has been stuck with a lot of dumb leaders, democratically voted in by a uneducated populous.

    Mexico is a shining example to show that democracy is not always best bet, and that capitalism cannot always bring you out of third world living conditions.

    All I was trying to make a point of is that America seems comparable numbers in deaths each year through data. Actually if you add up how many people die from starvation in NK compared to obesity in US, more people die from obesity each year. That means how our country and our people conduct there business results in thousands of preventable deaths. Does that give the right for a superpower to come into the united states and expect change in how we conduct business.

    Comparably the US spends much more of it's budget on military spending.

    Maybe that money could be cut to find ways to cut death rate of obesity in US.

    Is it fair for the EU to sanction the US to do this?

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    Re: North Korean Rocket fails, hours after claiming success.

    Quote Originally Posted by BulletWounD View Post
    Are you trolling or do you believe this?

    We haven't "backed them up into a corner." They've backed THEMSELVES up into a corner.

    Sure we are. Our rhetoric is pretty tame compared to the KWP's "smash the warmonger," "turn seoul to ashes" rhetoric.
    Tenth Amendment to the United States Constitution - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    How about you read the Clause?

    You obviously don't understand that part of the amendment if you are claiming I am trolling.

    It doesn't matter if our rhetoric is tame, it is not our position to have rhetoric on the issue at all.

    I love the V for Vendetta avatar, I always thought V was a slight hypocrite. I mean he based his whole campaign around the 5th of November. I mean V's whole stiq was that he was against totalitarianism, yet he followed Guy Fawkes who fought for a totalitarian religion.

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    Re: North Korean Rocket fails, hours after claiming success.

    Quote Originally Posted by Khayembii Communique
    I was just offering a little perspective on the North Korean issue, and find it comical that many westerners - typically Americans - attempt to paint North Korea as this totalitarian prison nation filled with ultra-nationalist lemmings led by a clinically insane leader bent on destroying/taking over the world.
    I usually give your thoughts on various governments a chance because there are times when I actually agree, but this time you are just plain wrong I'm afraid. The NK government is just that: totalitarian. There are executions there daily and evidence of this practice has been smuggled out by brave journalists who have put their lives on the line to show the world the kinds of atrocities taking place under the regime. You can't even look at an officer the wrong way, or have your lights on at night, without being taken out back and shot.

    The executions that take place there are on Stalinist levels. People are accused of being dissenters for no reason at all, and then are executed publically as examples. In 2002 someone put a poster up under a bridge (where barely anyone could see it) that openly criticized the regime and said that change must come. They never found the person who posted it, but they did round up over a hundred people and shot them in anger. This is the kind of mentality we are dealing with.

    If China weren't protecting NK, their government would be dust already.

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