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    Re: Turkey says "yes" to Rasmussen, Obama gaurentees favour in return

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    But aren't the leaders of Israel elected also? So then they couldn't be terrorists by your definition, right?

    Besides, just because one is a Palestinian, it does not mean that they are not terrorists, or rather that they weren't part of Hamas. The numbers are never seperated out. The number always given is "Palestinians", rather than combatants, militants, etc....I imagine this is a ploy used to try and gain sympathies where little should exist.
    I dont think she meant to say Israeli's are terorrists.
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    Re: Turkey says "yes" to Rasmussen, Obama gaurentees favour in return

    Quote Originally Posted by kaya'08 View Post
    I dont think she meant to say Israeli's are terorrists.
    Well I look forward to the explanation, but from here it seemed that the events in Gaza were just painted as a terrorist excercise by the Israeli's, particularly when the question was asked "who's killed 1300 Palestinians".
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    Re: Turkey says "yes" to Rasmussen, Obama gaurentees favour in return

    But aren't the leaders of Israel elected also? So then they couldn't be terrorists by your definition, right?

    Besides, just because one is a Palestinian, it does not mean that they are not terrorists, or rather that they weren't part of Hamas. The numbers are never seperated out. The number always given is "Palestinians", rather than combatants, militants, etc....I imagine this is a ploy used to try and gain sympathies where little should exist.
    ok .

    Palestine is the land occupied in 1948, and Hamas has the right to defend until the liberation of Palestine

    Is self-defense, terrorism?
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    Re: Turkey says "yes" to Rasmussen, Obama gaurentees favour in return

    Quote Originally Posted by elyas View Post
    ok .

    Palestine is the land occupied in 1948, and Hamas has the right to defend until the liberation of Palestine

    Is self-defense, terrorism?
    They were not acting in self defence when they where bombing the Jews across the boarder, the Jews bit there lips and didnt do anything yet Hamas continued bombing easten Jewish cities. When hamas was throwing rockets over the boarder, is that in self-defence, or is that an offensive, because NOBODY was attacking them in the first place. Now, as you said, people have the right to act in self defence so the jews done an excursion into gaza just so they could ensure bombings would stop; not even to occupy Gaza. Thats all they want. For it to stop.

    The palestinian people MUST act in self defence and defend there rights but what has happened recently is an offence, not a defensive.
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    Re: Turkey says "yes" to Rasmussen, Obama gaurentees favour in return

    Quote Originally Posted by elyas View Post
    ok .

    Palestine is the land occupied in 1948, and Hamas has the right to defend until the liberation of Palestine

    Is self-defense, terrorism?
    Terrorism is a simply tactic that can be used, offensively or definsively. In both instances it is still terrorism.

    I would say, to this point, Hamas and other terrorist factions have been the hinderance in the establishment of a Palestinan state. There have been opportunities to embrace a two state solution, that have been rejected. Since Hamas' charter calls for the complete expulsion of Israel, I doubt there will be any establishment of a Palestinian state, until such notions are disbanded either by the Palestinians or Hamas.

    Its going to be a while.
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    Re: Turkey says "yes" to Rasmussen, Obama gaurentees favour in return

    Exactly. Palestine will not be established until they moderate there stances. To expect anything else is unrealistic.

    And jesus WI crippler do your job will you?? ie:

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    Re: Turkey says "yes" to Rasmussen, Obama gaurentees favour in return

    They were not acting in self defence when they where bombing the Jews across the boarder, the Jews bit there lips and didnt do anything yet Hamas continued bombing easten Jewish cities. When hamas was throwing rockets over the boarder, is that in self-defence, or is that an offensive, because NOBODY was attacking them in the first place. Now, as you said, people have the right to act in self defence so the jews done an excursion into gaza just so they could ensure bombings would stop; not even to occupy Gaza. Thats all they want. For it to stop.

    The palestinian people MUST act in self defence and defend there rights but what has happened recently is an offence, not a defensive.
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    Re: Turkey says "yes" to Rasmussen, Obama gaurentees favour in return

    Terrorism is a simply tactic that can be used, offensively or definsively. In both instances it is still terrorism.

    I would say, to this point, Hamas and other terrorist factions have been the hinderance in the establishment of a Palestinan state. There have been opportunities to embrace a two state solution, that have been rejected. Since Hamas' charter calls for the complete expulsion of Israel, I doubt there will be any establishment of a Palestinian state, until such notions are disbanded either by the Palestinians or Hamas.

    Its going to be a while.
    We do not accept the two-state solution, because it is not fair

    78% of the land of Palestine is the Jews
    22% of the land of Palestine belongs to the Arabs


    Also the difference is not the presence of the Jews in Palestine

    We welcome the Jews in Palestine, but does not welcome them Koanlal
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    Re: Turkey says "yes" to Rasmussen, Obama gaurentees favour in return

    Exactly. Palestine will not be established until they moderate there stances. To expect anything else is unrealistic.

    And jesus WI crippler do your job will you??
    A reminder ..

    There are a lot of Christians in Palestine. They also advocate for Palestine, and welcome the position of Hamas

    Such as the Palestinian freedom fighter: George Habash
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