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Reports: 4 shot, hostages taken in Binghamton, NY

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Reports: 4 shot, hostages taken in Binghamton, NY
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BINGHAMTON, N.Y. – A gunman entered an immigration services center in downtown Binghamton on Friday, shot at least four people and took as many as 41 hostage, according to media reports.

Mayor Matthew Ryan told the Binghamton Press & Sun Bulletin that there was a hostage situation involving a gunman with a high-powered rifle.

The condition of the victims wasn't immediately clear. A Binghamton police dispatcher who spoke to The Associated Press wouldn't confirm a number of people shot or injured.

The newspaper reported 41 hostages in the building of the American Civic Association and said apartments were being evacuated.

Reports: 4 shot, hostages taken in Binghamton, NY
 
Reach into my backpack, draw my firearm, place a round center mass, reset and be ready to fire again.


Oh wait, this is New York, they don't want people to be able to defend themselves... My bad.

The faulty premise behind gun control is that the police are 100% effective in preventing or interrupting gun violence.

They can't be 100% effective, that's why a well armed and practiced citizenry is needed.
 
Come on, can we get even a couple posts into this and figuring out whats going on before it becomes a "guns are bad" "Guns are good" rant fest.

What a horrible situation, regardless of how it came about. Anyone in New York maybe getting more up to the minute news?
 
The faulty premise behind gun control is that the police are 100% effective in preventing or interrupting gun violence.

They can't be 100% effective, that's why a well armed and practiced citizenry is needed.

One of the main reasons I goto competitions, and the range, quite frequently.

In regards to what's happening there, it's pretty ****ty... and I hope the people involved come out okay.
 
Come on, can we get even a couple posts into this and figuring out whats going on before it becomes a "guns are bad" "Guns are good" rant fest.

What a horrible situation, regardless of how it came about. Anyone in New York maybe getting more up to the minute news?

How many of these situations do you have to witness/endure to realize that there is nothing more we can do but say,"what a shame and I feel for the victims and the bastard who did it is insane or worthy of some intense punishment"?

Then, after that is said, we get into the political rant.

Do you feel the need for the perfunctory public display of regret each time?

I'd say it is assumed that we all feel a sense of regret and loss.
 
How many of these situations do you have to witness/endure to realize that there is nothing more we can do but say,"what a shame and I feel for the victims and the bastard who did it is insane or worthy of some intense punishment"?

Then, after that is said, we get into the political rant.

Do you feel the need for the perfunctory public display of regret each time?

I'd say it is assumed that we all feel a sense of regret and loss.

I actually find it startling that I'm agreeing with you today.
 
How many of these situations do you have to witness/endure to realize that there is nothing more we can do but say,"what a shame and I feel for the victims and the bastard who did it is insane or worthy of some intense punishment"?

Then, after that is said, we get into the political rant.

Do you feel the need for the perfunctory public display of regret each time?

I'd say it is assumed that we all feel a sense of regret and loss.

I understand and agree completely in regards to the "i feel bad for them". Yes, I get that it is almost redunant.

But the news in question is still going on, with likely more updates coming out. And while watching the same old debate between the same old people on this forum about "well if he had a gun" and "well if we banned guns" before all or even MOST of the facts are even out may seem fun, personally I'd PERSONALLY rather see actual updates about the NEWS in the breaking news post right now than see it buried under "Guns are good / Guns are bad" debate number #258.

That said, just my opinion. People want to discuss it, no problem, was just expressing my opinions on the situation. I'll happily go find fox news or cnn's website and keep up to date on it there and come back in when people are actually debating about this issue with actual facts instead of off the cuff emotion.
 
I understand and agree completely in regards to the "i feel bad for them". Yes, I get that it is almost redunant.

But the news in question is still going on, with likely more updates coming out. And while watching the same old debate between the same old people on this forum about "well if he had a gun" and "well if we banned guns" before all or even MOST of the facts are even out may seem fun, personally I'd PERSONALLY rather see actual updates about the NEWS in the breaking news post right now than see it buried under "Guns are good / Guns are bad" debate number #258.

That said, just my opinion. People want to discuss it, no problem, was just expressing my opinions on the situation. I'll happily go find fox news or cnn's website and keep up to date on it there and come back in when people are actually debating about this issue with actual facts instead of off the cuff emotion.

CNN is reporting from 4 to 12 dead and the situation may or may not be over with two suspects in custody.

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That said, just my opinion. People want to discuss it, no problem, was just expressing my opinions on the situation. I'll happily go find fox news or cnn's website and keep up to date on it there and come back in when people are actually debating about this issue with actual facts instead of off the cuff emotion.
After you say "wow this is terrible"... what issue -is- there to debate?
 
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Kinda makes those who thought the Burger King good samaritan was at fault, think twice....


Probably not.
 
Something like this does lend itself wonderfully for the gun debate, and other potential debates.

But its foolish to debate it before any real facts get out. Why was the guy there? Who is the guy? What sparked this. Did anyone inside have a gun? Where did the guy get his gun. And on and on.

But for the most part we don't know many if any real facts to actually DEBATE anything about this yet save for speculation and assumption based on nothing but emotion and stereotypes.
 
Something like this does lend itself wonderfully for the gun debate, and other potential debates.

But its foolish to debate it before any real facts get out. Why was the guy there? Who is the guy? What sparked this. Did anyone inside have a gun? Where did the guy get his gun. And on and on.

But for the most part we don't know many if any real facts to actually DEBATE anything about this yet save for speculation and assumption based on nothing but emotion and stereotypes.




Given the prohibitionist nature of NY, there is no doubt in my mind that the people were disarmed. They were lambs to this wolves slaughter. This much we can assume.


It is a sad reminder that police are historians, and that we are forced to be victims by the hypocrites we vote into power.
 
Kinda makes those who thought the Burger King good samaritan was at fault, think twice....


Probably not.

If someone had died as a result in the burger king shootout other than the BG and the shooter, the shooter would be at fault in that situation.

From the details I read on that, the CCW holder approached the robber, got into an altercation with him.. and then fired as a response to being fired at.

It's of my opinion that if he was going to draw his weapon or interject he should have done so without confronting the would be robber.

I'm still happy with the outcome of the robber being dead.. but I do believe the plan was executed pretty poorly. :(
 
If someone had died as a result in the burger king shootout other than the BG and the shooter, the shooter would be at fault in that situation.

From the details I read on that, the CCW holder approached the robber, got into an altercation with him.. and then fired as a response to being fired at.

It's of my opinion that if he was going to draw his weapon or interject he should have done so without confronting the would be robber.

I'm still happy with the outcome of the robber being dead.. but I do believe the plan was executed pretty poorly. :(

yes, he had the gun, he didn't seem to have a clue though.....


He got lucky.
 
Reports now say 13 dead, atleast 26 wounded. The gunman apparently backed his car of the immigration center then entered through the front with a high powered automatic or semi-automatic rifle and began shooting. Reports also say it was 1 Asian male, possibly Vietnamese, with the possibility of more shooters.

The fact that it is an immigration related building surely lends credence to a possible motive.

Political repercussions? I wonder if they will jump at the opportunity to highlight the need for tighter gun control regulations.


I think it was a part of the 90% of weapons found in Mexico that originate in the U.S.....rrrrriiigggghhhttt
 
Kinda makes those who thought the Burger King good samaritan was at fault, think twice....

Probably not.

Really? Why?

Did the shooter have his face exposed or not? Did he come in demanding that the place give them their money, or did he come in immedietely taking hostages and seeming to have an alterior motive or a message to send? How did the shots that killed people come to be? I can go on and on.

Kind of makes me not want to make any real judgement in any way till I know at least a smidgen of actual FACTS about this case first other than saying I feel for those within and pray that they those still alive get out alright and those who are wounded fight through.
 
CNN reports WBNG-TV as saying the shooter is dead. But there is still a question of whether there were other hostage takers.
 
I've also heard there were two people escorted out in handcuffs?

The facts coming out seem odd and disjointed at this point.
 
Reports now say 13 dead, atleast 26 wounded. The gunman apparently backed his car of the immigration center then entered through the front with a high powered automatic or semi-automatic rifle and began shooting. Reports also say it was 1 Asian male, possibly Vietnamese, with the possibility of more shooters.

The fact that it is an immigration related building surely lends credence to a possible motive.

Political repercussions? I wonder if they will jump at the opportunity to highlight the need for tighter gun control regulations.


I think it was a part of the 90% of weapons found in Mexico that originate in the U.S.....rrrrriiigggghhhttt

NO doubt this will be used to justify more gun laws in New York.


but.. I thought people were protected by the already tight and existing gun laws?
 
Reports now say 13 dead, atleast 26 wounded. The gunman apparently backed his car of the immigration center then entered through the front with a high powered automatic or semi-automatic rifle and began shooting.
This could just be an error in translation from the source to this page, but assuming that translation is accurate....
... I just LOVE this sort of reporting.

As if the reporters have a clue about this sort of thing.
 
I've also heard there were two people escorted out in handcuffs?

The facts coming out seem odd and disjointed at this point.

Indeed they do.
 
NO doubt this will be used to justify more gun laws in New York.


but.. I thought people were protected by the already tight and existing gun laws?

Isn't this why we have the second amendment, to guarantee that citizens have the right to overthrow the government when they decide it's time for a revolution? So this guy decided it was time...and his rights to own weapons and use them at his discretion are in the constitution.....what's the big deal?
 
Isn't this why we have the second amendment, to guarantee that citizens have the right to overthrow the government when they decide it's time for a revolution? So this guy decided it was time...and his rights to own weapons and use them at his discretion are in the constitution.....what's the big deal?

This is a fun anti-gun argument.

Simple, this person's rights ended as soon as he started violating other citizen's of this country's rights.
 
Isn't this why we have the second amendment, to guarantee that citizens have the right to overthrow the government when they decide it's time for a revolution? So this guy decided it was time...and his rights to own weapons and use them at his discretion are in the constitution.....what's the big deal?
Another brilliant illustration as to how you clearly (and willfully) just don't get it.
 
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