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    Re: Reports: 4 shot, hostages taken in Binghamton, NY

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    so I am a gun nut because I think in society today we teach ourselves to be meek in front of the wolf? Talk about disrespect of someone elses opinion.


    My point is irrelevant of the gun. my point is, and simply, how does one man with 2 pistols kill 14 people? Society today teaches us to sit there and hope for the best. putting up a fight is not what we teach, we teach submission.

    It's a shame. It's a damn shame.
    No, Reverend, you are making a blanket black or white statement, Anyone who chooses to not have a gun is being or has been taught to be meek. That is a ridiculous statement and an inaccurate value judgment. Notice your annoyance at my "gun-nut" comment? I did that specifically to get your ire, illustrating my point. Before you make silly all encompassing value judgments, it would be a good idea to understand motivations and thoughts behind one's position. I understand yours and respect that. I expect the same from you.
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    Re: Reports: 4 shot, hostages taken in Binghamton, NY

    Quote Originally Posted by Reverend_Hellh0und View Post
    Really now? so this is "cry forums" not "debate politics" where we come in and simply cry over the news and offer up little in the way of discussion?


    Please, comparing me to will is an insult, and you miss my point, one that I think you agreed with me on a year or so ago on the VT shooting.


    That we teach ourselve submission, and that this leads to one man with 2 pistols killing 14 people.
    I agree.

    Those who believe in gun control have nothing to say because this is a snapshot of what they would have as the rule.

    An unarmed citizenry at the mercy of an armed committed deviant/criminal.

    The expectation of peace and tranquility is an illusion we all wish was the reality but wishing doesn't make it so.

    Those people lived with that expectation and found out it was an illusion.

    Some of us look at this and still cling to the illusion.

    When some armed criminal chooses to make you a statistic the police will not prevent him from doing so.

    And if you refuse to prevent him from taking your life then it is your choice not to have been armed and ready that allowed him to do so.

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    Re: Reports: 4 shot, hostages taken in Binghamton, NY

    Quote Originally Posted by Reverend_Hellh0und View Post
    so I am a gun nut because I think in society today we teach ourselves to be meek in front of the wolf? Talk about disrespect of someone elses opinion.


    My point is irrelevant of the gun. my point is, and simply, how does one man with 2 pistols kill 14 people? Society today teaches us to sit there and hope for the best. putting up a fight is not what we teach, we teach submission.

    It's a shame. It's a damn shame.

    Like I said, some use these tragedies as nothing more than what may be described as retrained jubilee because it gives them an excuse pound their barbaric philosophies even more. A damn shame is accurate.

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    Re: Reports: 4 shot, hostages taken in Binghamton, NY

    Quote Originally Posted by Reverend_Hellh0und View Post
    Really now? so this is "cry forums" not "debate politics" where we come in and simply cry over the news and offer up little in the way of discussion?
    No, but this is the Breaking News forum. I figured, with that being said, people would actually be discussing ACTUAL breaking news. You know, the actual FACTS surrounding the NEWS. Not just wild assumptions that are used to spring board into whatever random partisan talking point you and others like you in here wanted to rant on about. My mistake. But I'm sure you'll continue to just ignore what I"m actually saying and cry about me just wanting people to express sad feelings about those involved.

    As I've said, from the beginning. Discussion and debate on this is useful, but while its in the BREAKING NEWS section why not discuss the actual FACTS of THIS news rather than some wild assumptions that aren't trying to honestly figure out what happened here but want to USE this to manipulate the conversation to the point where they want to go.

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    Re: Reports: 4 shot, hostages taken in Binghamton, NY

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    No, Reverend, you are making a blanket black or white statement, Anyone who chooses to not have a gun is being or has been taught to be meek. That is a ridiculous statement and an inaccurate value judgment. Notice your annoyance at my "gun-nut" comment? I did that specifically to get your ire, illustrating my point. Before you make silly all encompassing value judgments, it would be a good idea to understand motivations and thoughts behind one's position. I understand yours and respect that. I expect the same from you.


    So you admit to baiting me. noted.


    You also build a strawman, I never said that people choosing not to have a gun are meak.


    Get back to me when you want to be honest in our discussion.
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    Re: Reports: 4 shot, hostages taken in Binghamton, NY

    Quote Originally Posted by bhkad View Post
    I agree.

    Those who believe in gun control have nothing to say because this is a snapshot of what they would have as the rule.

    An unarmed citizenry at the mercy of an armed committed deviant/criminal.

    The expectation of peace and tranquility is an illusion we all wish was the reality but wishing doesn't make it so.

    Those people lived with that expectation and found out it was an illusion.

    Some of us look at this and still cling to the illusion.

    When some armed criminal chooses to make you a statistic the police will not prevent him from doing so.

    And if you refuse to prevent him from taking your life then it is your choice not to have been armed and ready that allowed him to do so.



    The gun is a tool, what is a shame gun or no gun is our society laying down to the wolf. how does 14 people get shot by 1 guy with 2 handguns? did anyone even attempt to fight back? the articles talk about hiding and cowering......

    This is a shame.
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    Re: Reports: 4 shot, hostages taken in Binghamton, NY

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    No, but this is the Breaking News forum. I figured, with that being said, people would actually be discussing ACTUAL breaking news. You know, the actual FACTS surrounding the NEWS. Not just wild assumptions that are used to spring board into whatever random partisan talking point you and others like you in here wanted to rant on about. My mistake. But I'm sure you'll continue to just ignore what I"m actually saying and cry about me just wanting people to express sad feelings about those involved.

    As I've said, from the beginning. Discussion and debate on this is useful, but while its in the BREAKING NEWS section why not discuss the actual FACTS of THIS news rather than some wild assumptions that aren't trying to honestly figure out what happened here but want to USE this to manipulate the conversation to the point where they want to go.



    You mean breaking news like the Palin and her invite to speak somewhere?
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    Re: Reports: 4 shot, hostages taken in Binghamton, NY

    Quote Originally Posted by SkyCore View Post
    Like I said, some use these tragedies as nothing more than what may be described as retrained jubilee because it gives them an excuse pound their barbaric philosophies even more. A damn shame is accurate.


    what are you cackling on about?
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    Re: Reports: 4 shot, hostages taken in Binghamton, NY

    Quote Originally Posted by Reverend_Hellh0und View Post
    So you admit to baiting me. noted.
    No, I admit to using an analogy to get a response. It worked fine. Hopefully, you now understand how your black or white comments can be inciting.


    You also build a strawman, I never said that people choosing not to have a gun are meak.
    No strawman. I don't make this stuff up. Please explain this post:

    Quote Originally Posted by Reverend_Hellh0und View Post
    Here 14 people let themselves get shot, not only was no one armed, but words like "cower" and "hid" are the words used here. it dismays me to know end that we teach ourselves to be meek when the wolf comes for the slaughter....
    Get back to me when you want to be honest in our discussion.
    Get back to me when you can see how your position is extremist and inciting.
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    Re: Reports: 4 shot, hostages taken in Binghamton, NY

    Quote Originally Posted by Reverend_Hellh0und View Post
    The gun is a tool, what is a shame gun or no gun is our society laying down to the wolf. how does 14 people get shot by 1 guy with 2 handguns? did anyone even attempt to fight back? the articles talk about hiding and cowering......

    This is a shame.
    I agree.

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