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    Re: Reports: 4 shot, hostages taken in Binghamton, NY

    Quote Originally Posted by stevenb View Post
    Reach into my backpack, draw my firearm, place a round center mass, reset and be ready to fire again.


    Oh wait, this is New York, they don't want people to be able to defend themselves... My bad.
    Hey I at least carry a pistol for protection, in addition to my pocket knife as a last resort.
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    Re: Reports: 4 shot, hostages taken in Binghamton, NY

    Adkisson must be feeling proud of himself. Looks like he has possibly inspired others to follow his lead.

    Citizens our following our National motto on conflict resolution so a downturned economy will naturally produce the same results our "esteemed" electors have set the precedent upon. Gun nuts love this crap man...they love to see these attacks because every single time it happens the first or second thing out of their mouths is to get all orgasmic about guns as a solution. Irony or self-fulfilled prophecy?

    Oh sure, some indignant and dishonest soap box rants will accuse me of saying they love innocent people getting shot. But that is not what I am saying. What I am pointing out is all the dead innocent people don't even register on their radar. They don't see needless deaths. All they see is another campaign slogan for more guns. Congratulations.

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    Re: Reports: 4 shot, hostages taken in Binghamton, NY

    Quote Originally Posted by WillRockwell View Post
    I don't see that it's so simple. If you exercise your constitutional right to overthrow the government with your constitutionally protected weapon, obviously you will intrude on some other citizen. That citizen may be a federal law enforcement officer or it may be a civilian who is unfortunately in the line of fire. Are those citizens not casualties of war?
    This is more foolish partisan hackery. Please show how any of the people he killed were representative of him trying to overthrow the government. And try to make sense when you answer this question.
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    Re: Reports: 4 shot, hostages taken in Binghamton, NY

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    Really? Why?

    Did the shooter have his face exposed or not? Did he come in demanding that the place give them their money, or did he come in immedietely taking hostages and seeming to have an alterior motive or a message to send? How did the shots that killed people come to be? I can go on and on.

    How is this related to my commentary? people passed judgment on the burger king guy. Here 14 people let themselves get shot, not only was no one armed, but words like "cower" and "hid" are the words used here. it dismays me to know end that we teach ourselves to be meek when the wolf comes for the slaughter....

    Like the VT tech thing, we have neutered the people and prepared them for the slaughter......



    Kind of makes me not want to make any real judgement in any way till I know at least a smidgen of actual FACTS about this case first other than saying I feel for those within and pray that they those still alive get out alright and those who are wounded fight through.


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    Re: Reports: 4 shot, hostages taken in Binghamton, NY

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    Reports: 4 shot, hostages taken in Binghamton, NY
    wow, they say 13 people have been killed

    I didn't read all the posts but it seems that you advocate the large spreading of guns in order to stop killers like this one

    Fine, it is true that if someone had a gun he could have killed this guy

    But on the other hand, more guns = statistically more risks that someone who gets a meltdown uses a gun, don't you agree?

    Someone who wants to kill people will always be able to find a gun, even if they're banned, or he could also use other weapons (knifes...). But I think that in many cases, maybe such as this one, the killer didn't think a lot, he didn't prepare the killing: he lost his job, grabbed his gun and started killing people

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    Re: Reports: 4 shot, hostages taken in Binghamton, NY

    Quote Originally Posted by bub View Post
    wow, they say 13 people have been killed

    I didn't read all the posts but it seems that you advocate the large spreading of guns in order to stop killers like this one

    Fine, it is true that if someone had a gun he could have killed this guy

    But on the other hand, more guns = statistically more risks that someone who gets a meltdown uses a gun, don't you agree?

    Someone who wants to kill people will always be able to find a gun, even if they're banned, or he could also use other weapons (knifes...). But I think that in many cases, maybe such as this one, the killer didn't think a lot, he didn't prepare the killing: he lost his job, grabbed his gun and started killing people



    So let me understand you correctly. There are kill crazy madmen out there who will always be able to find a gun, but you are advocating removing the guns from the non kill crazy madmen in order to stop the kill crazy madmen from doing what they do.



    is that right? O.o


    Oh and he backed his car up to the door to prevent people from escaping, this shows prior planning my friend.
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    Re: Reports: 4 shot, hostages taken in Binghamton, NY

    Quote Originally Posted by Reverend_Hellh0und View Post
    So let me understand you correctly. There are kill crazy madmen out there who will always be able to find a gun, but you are advocating removing the guns from the non kill crazy madmen in order to stop the kill crazy madmen from doing what they do.



    is that right? O.o


    Oh and he backed his car up to the door to prevent people from escaping, this shows prior planning my friend.
    I'll try to be more clear: I think that there are 2 kinds of killers

    - the psychopath/maddest ones, who are determined to kill people and take a lot of time to prepare it (like the guy who took 6 months to armor his bulldozer with steel and concrete)

    - the ones who become mad because they were fired/found out that their wife has sex with someone else...and start killing on the spot. They do it not because they are determined to kill people randomly, but because they have a meltdown

    For the first ones, banning guns is useless because they have a lot of time and will be able to find one anyway. And if they don't use a gun it will be a knife, because they are determined to kill

    For the second ones, maybe it could be usefull to ban guns, because if they don't find one on the spot (if they don't own one) I don't think they'll start killing people, because they're not really determined to do so.

    ...but that's just my hypothesis...

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    Re: Reports: 4 shot, hostages taken in Binghamton, NY

    Quote Originally Posted by bub View Post
    I'll try to be more clear: I think that there are 2 kinds of killers

    - the psychopath/maddest ones, who are determined to kill people and take a lot of time to prepare it (like the guy who took 6 months to armor his bulldozer with steel and concrete)

    - the ones who become mad because they were fired/found out that their wife has sex with someone else...and start killing on the spot. They do it not because they are determined to kill people randomly, but because they have a meltdown

    For the first ones, banning guns is useless because they have a lot of time and will be able to find one anyway. And if they don't use a gun it will be a knife, because they are determined to kill


    For the second ones, maybe it could be usefull to ban guns, because if they don't find one on the spot (if they don't own one) I don't think they'll start killing people, because they're not really determined to do so.


    ...but that's just my hypothesis...

    Do you have and numbers for this hypothesis?
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    Re: Reports: 4 shot, hostages taken in Binghamton, NY

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    This is more foolish partisan hackery. Please show how any of the people he killed were representative of him trying to overthrow the government. And try to make sense when you answer this question.
    Why not try to reply with a little courtesy....Captain? No, this Vietnamese shooter was not trying to overthrow the government, he apparently felt disrespected.
    The point is that no excuse justifies the shooting of innocent people. Yet if his excuse had been that he was trying to "liberate America from Socialism" he would have received sympathy from the 2nd Amendment crowd. Likewise, one could ask how and why a Vietnamese immagrant could aquire or need an arsenal of weapons. On that point he already has your sympathy and your support. And that is a problem.

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    Re: Reports: 4 shot, hostages taken in Binghamton, NY

    Quote Originally Posted by WillRockwell View Post
    Why not try to reply with a little courtesy....Captain? No, this Vietnamese shooter was not trying to overthrow the government, he apparently felt disrespected.
    The point is that no excuse justifies the shooting of innocent people. Yet if his excuse had been that he was trying to "liberate America from Socialism" he would have received sympathy from the 2nd Amendment crowd. Likewise, one could ask how and why a Vietnamese immagrant could aquire or need an arsenal of weapons. On that point he already has your sympathy and your support. And that is a problem.


    Just when one thinks you can't say anything dumber.



    And yeah, we need to keep guns out of the hands of Asians....


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