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Thread: Reports: 4 shot, hostages taken in Binghamton, NY

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    Re: Reports: 4 shot, hostages taken in Binghamton, NY

    Quote Originally Posted by stevenb View Post
    I don't know if you've been paying attention lately.. but the world isn't exactly a safe harbor of love and peace these days.

    I carry a firearm to protect myself and other's in the real world, where I've lived for most of my life.

    Nobody said the world is a safe harbor so that response doesn't make much sense.

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    Re: Reports: 4 shot, hostages taken in Binghamton, NY

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    There's been no tragic event in my life to make me believe I am safer with a gun that without.
    Does that mean I am using a gun as a crutch, too?
    What do YOU use?

    Since that post wasn't directed at anything you said this makes no sense.

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    Re: Reports: 4 shot, hostages taken in Binghamton, NY

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    This is a little silly.

    Do you carry your keyring everywhere you go when you leave home? Why? So you have your keys when you need them, of course.

    Similarly, a gun is a tool with a different purpose. You never know when you may need it, so you keep it with you always. Criminals don't call you up on the phone and say "By the way, old chap, I was planning to kill you and rape your wife and daughter, and wanted to schedule a time. Would Tuesday do?"

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    The logic of extremism necessitates an inability to see the absurdity of comparing keys to guns.

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    Re: Reports: 4 shot, hostages taken in Binghamton, NY

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    Fly, I would say that Goobieman was trying to make the distinction between
    1. A person with an unreasonable fear of death or harm, vs
    2. a person who is not afraid to die, but is in no hurry to die at the hands of a violent criminal or other premature method.

    Do you step out in front of oncoming traffic? No? Why, you said you aren't afraid to die? Illustrating absurdity with absurdity, you see. I am not afraid to die, but I don't step out in front of oncoming traffic and I do pack a gun. I am in no particular hurry. People who are in a hurry to die are called "suicidal".
    He didn't say he was in a hurry to die so this response doesn't make sense.

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    Re: Reports: 4 shot, hostages taken in Binghamton, NY

    Quote Originally Posted by FlyOnTheWall View Post
    Sorry, I dont need a keyring to feel safe andsecure. Your comparison is silly.

    A gun is a weapon, not a tool. A screwdriver is a tool.
    Yes.

    When I was thirteen a neighbor of mine used a tool, what you call a "screwdriver", to skewer the skull of an old lady who wouldn't give him money.

    A decade ago a baglady in Venice beach used her handy dandy screwtwisting device to protect her valuable shopping cart from thieves, aka cops. The cops used their tools, because they're big brave specimens of the best cops can be, and shot her.

    Guns are a subsets of tools classed also as weapons. As can be seen, the boundaries are blurred.

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    Re: Reports: 4 shot, hostages taken in Binghamton, NY

    Quote Originally Posted by Scarecrow Akhbar View Post
    Yes.

    When I was thirteen a neighbor of mine used a tool, what you call a "screwdriver", to skewer the skull of an old lady who wouldn't give him money.

    A decade ago a baglady in Venice beach used her handy dandy screwtwisting device to protect her valuable shopping cart from thieves, aka cops. The cops used their tools, because they're big brave specimens of the best cops can be, and shot her.

    Guns are a subsets of tools classed also as weapons. As can be seen, the boundaries are blurred.


    Very blurred indeed. The other day I was changing my oil and ask a neighbor if it was better to use a .38 Special or a .44 Magnum to remove the oil plan plug. Then today I needed to take the chemical injector off of a pressure washer and used a 12 gauge shotgun instead of a 9/16 wrench because the two were designed to basically do the same thing. Very blurry lines indeed.

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    Re: Reports: 4 shot, hostages taken in Binghamton, NY

    Quote Originally Posted by Scarecrow Akhbar View Post
    Yes.

    When I was thirteen a neighbor of mine used a tool, what you call a "screwdriver", to skewer the skull of an old lady who wouldn't give him money.

    A decade ago a baglady in Venice beach used her handy dandy screwtwisting device to protect her valuable shopping cart from thieves, aka cops. The cops used their tools, because they're big brave specimens of the best cops can be, and shot her.

    Guns are a subsets of tools classed also as weapons. As can be seen, the boundaries are blurred.
    I already demonstrated how tools and weapons are interchangeable in post 230. My hand can be a weapon or tool depending on the workload.

    It was stated that a gun was a tool which was used for neutralizing threats. When one neutralizes a threat with a gun, one is projecting retaliation with bodily harm, and in this case the gun is a weapon.

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    Re: Reports: 4 shot, hostages taken in Binghamton, NY

    Quote Originally Posted by SkyCore View Post
    Very blurred indeed. The other day I was changing my oil and ask a neighbor if it was better to use a .38 Special or a .44 Magnum to remove the oil plan plug. Then today I needed to take the chemical injector off of a pressure washer and used a 12 gauge shotgun instead of a 9/16 wrench because the two were designed to basically do the same thing. Very blurry lines indeed.
    I heard that guns were very effective in evacuating dried nasal mucus.

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    Re: Reports: 4 shot, hostages taken in Binghamton, NY

    Quote Originally Posted by FlyOnTheWall View Post
    I never said they had an irrational attachment, I said the gun is a crutch.
    Is a screwdriver also a crutch? Am I paranoid about vehicle breakdowns if a carry a box of screwdrivers in my truck (I do)? Or am I being realistic about the possibility of a breakdown, and the likelihood that a few tools and some skills could enable me to get back on the road in short order?

    Yes, yes, I know a gun is a weapon, not a tool. Well, to me it is a tool: a tool is a device used to solve a problem, when your bare hands won't suffice. I would prefer to discuss substance rather than semantics.

    I have been in the world for 48 years without carrying a gun, and I have not been attacked by any criminal. Guess I have been lucky.
    Yes, you have. I'm in my 40's also. I've been attacked; I have family members who have been attacked; I lost a dear friend once to a robbery/murder. I scared off one pair of would-be muggers with a pistol...who probably would not have been impressed if I had told them I was a black belt. You've been very lucky indeed.



    In most cases, carrying 24/7 means a person is paranoid that evil is out to get him. That person probably has some emotional disorder which was brought on by a traumatic event.
    I disagree. In some few cases you might be correct, but my experience argues that it is not so for the majority of people who carry daily. See above... there is a difference between making a rational, informed decision based on experience, and simply reacting to emotional trauma.


    Great. Same here. I have guns knives and bows. They all have their purposes.
    Straw man. Not once in this thread have I advocated laws to ban weapons.
    I am glad to hear it. It was not my intention to present a straw man argument, but rather to throw it out there and see what you said about it. I am pleased that you do not wish to restrict second amendment rights.

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    Re: Reports: 4 shot, hostages taken in Binghamton, NY

    Quote Originally Posted by FlyOnTheWall View Post
    I already demonstrated how tools and weapons are interchangeable in post 230. My hand can be a weapon or tool depending on the workload.

    It was stated that a gun was a tool which was used for neutralizing threats. When one neutralizes a threat with a gun, one is projecting retaliation with bodily harm, and in this case the gun is a weapon.

    I beg to differ. Defense and retaliation are two seperate issues.

    Retaliation is "getting even" after someone has hurt you. The law frowns on this.

    Defense is "preventing unlawful harm." In most states the law supports this.

    I would rather discuss substance than continuing to bandy semantics however.

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