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    Re: Reports: 4 shot, hostages taken in Binghamton, NY

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    It does make sense.

    You state that you are not afraid of death or dying, and as such do not need some 'crutch' to defend yourself.

    Does the desire to not die necessarily come from the fear of dying?
    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    Hmm.
    How does not wanting to die (or be injured or have things taken from you) equate to a fear of death or injury or aving things haven from you?
    The bolded part makes absolutely no sense. I refuse to comment on a post where a part of it is gibberish.

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    Re: Reports: 4 shot, hostages taken in Binghamton, NY

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    There's been no tragic event in my life to make me believe I am safer with a gun that without.
    Does that mean I am using a gun as a crutch, too?
    I don't know. I wrote the crutch comment to a person who states he and his weapon go EVERYWHERE together "irregardless" (sic) of of where he is....like Linus and his blanket

    Are you and your gun inseparable?

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    Re: Reports: 4 shot, hostages taken in Binghamton, NY

    Quote Originally Posted by FlyOnTheWall View Post
    I don't know. I wrote the crutch comment to a person who states he and his weapon go EVERYWHERE together "irregardless" (sic) of of where he is....like Linus and his blanket

    Are you and your gun inseparable?

    This is a little silly.

    Do you carry your keyring everywhere you go when you leave home? Why? So you have your keys when you need them, of course.

    Similarly, a gun is a tool with a different purpose. You never know when you may need it, so you keep it with you always. Criminals don't call you up on the phone and say "By the way, old chap, I was planning to kill you and rape your wife and daughter, and wanted to schedule a time. Would Tuesday do?"

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    Re: Reports: 4 shot, hostages taken in Binghamton, NY

    Quote Originally Posted by FlyOnTheWall View Post
    The bolded part makes absolutely no sense. I refuse to comment on a post where a part of it is gibberish.

    Fly, I would say that Goobieman was trying to make the distinction between
    1. A person with an unreasonable fear of death or harm, vs
    2. a person who is not afraid to die, but is in no hurry to die at the hands of a violent criminal or other premature method.

    Do you step out in front of oncoming traffic? No? Why, you said you aren't afraid to die? Illustrating absurdity with absurdity, you see. I am not afraid to die, but I don't step out in front of oncoming traffic and I do pack a gun. I am in no particular hurry. People who are in a hurry to die are called "suicidal".

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    Re: Reports: 4 shot, hostages taken in Binghamton, NY

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    The freeze response is instinctual. If the situation was one where fighting or fleeing would more likely result in your death, you too would freeze. This is not a conscious decision. It is a survival instinct. Whether one is actually killed is irrelevant. One does not react to an outcome, since that outcome has not occurred, yet.

    Captain, a person's fight/flight/freeze responses can be modified. Military basic training and police academy trainers do it to recruits all the time. Conditioning someone to control their instinctive reactions and channel them into a deliberate and useful plan of action is part of what distinguishes the well-trained from the untrained.

    Character, courage, and innate aggression are factors, but these can be modified by training also.

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    Re: Reports: 4 shot, hostages taken in Binghamton, NY

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    This is a little silly.

    Do you carry your keyring everywhere you go when you leave home? Why? So you have your keys when you need them, of course.

    Similarly, a gun is a tool with a different purpose. You never know when you may need it, so you keep it with you always. Criminals don't call you up on the phone and say "By the way, old chap, I was planning to kill you and rape your wife and daughter, and wanted to schedule a time. Would Tuesday do?"

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    Sorry, I dont need a keyring to feel safe andsecure. Your comparison is silly.

    A gun is a weapon, not a tool. A screwdriver is a tool.

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    Re: Reports: 4 shot, hostages taken in Binghamton, NY

    Quote Originally Posted by FlyOnTheWall View Post
    Sorry, I dont need a keyring to feel safe andsecure. Your comparison is silly.

    A gun is a weapon, not a tool. A screwdriver is a tool.
    You either missed my point, or deliberately ignored it.

    Carrying a gun all the time does not necessarily mean the person has an irrational attachment to it as a "Security blanket".
    In most cases, carrying 24/7 means a person has become aware than the world is not a safe place, that criminals may attack anywhere at any time, and that being trained, equipped and ready if that moment comes is a positive benefit for themselves, their dependents, and society.

    I call a gun a tool because to me that is what it is. It is a tool for neutralizing threats. I neither love guns nor hate them, in fact there's very little emotional content involved at all. My saws-all is for cutting things. My truck is for hauling things. My guns are for target shooting, hunting, and as a last line of defense against criminals when avoidance/evasion fails.

    If you do not wish to go armed, that is your choice and I would not try to force you. Please give me the same courtesy and don't try to disarm me under the color of law.

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    Re: Reports: 4 shot, hostages taken in Binghamton, NY

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    Fly, I would say that Goobieman was trying to make the distinction between
    1. A person with an unreasonable fear of death or harm, vs
    2. a person who is not afraid to die, but is in no hurry to die at the hands of a violent criminal or other premature method.
    Glad you could decipher his gibberish....I don't care to try.

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    Re: Reports: 4 shot, hostages taken in Binghamton, NY

    Quote Originally Posted by stevenb View Post
    So, what exactly is your point? Or are you just trying to twist **** to your own little view?

    The point was clearly seen which is exactly why you changed your original statement.

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    Re: Reports: 4 shot, hostages taken in Binghamton, NY

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    You either missed my point, or deliberately ignored it.

    Carrying a gun all the time does not necessarily mean the person has an irrational attachment to it as a "Security blanket".
    I never said they had an irrational attachment, I said the gun is a crutch. I also mentioned religion, however I did not claim that religious people have an irrational attachment to a supreme being. Please refrain from misrepresenting my words, it weakens your point.

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    In most cases, carrying 24/7 means a person has become aware than the world is not a safe place, that criminals may attack anywhere at any time, and that being trained, equipped and ready if that moment comes is a positive benefit for themselves, their dependents, and society.
    I have been in the world for 48 years without carrying a gun, and I have not been attacked by any criminal. Guess I have been lucky.

    In most cases, carrying 24/7 means a person is paranoid that evil is out to get him. That person probably has some emotional disorder which was brought on by a traumatic event.

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    I call a gun a tool because to me that is what it is. It is a tool for neutralizing threats.
    A caulking gun is a tool, a hand gun is a weapon.

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    I neither love guns nor hate them, in fact there's very little emotional content involved at all.
    Great. Same here. I have guns knives and bows. They all have their purposes.

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    My saws-all is for cutting things. My truck is for hauling things. My guns are for target shooting, hunting, and as a last line of defense against criminals when avoidance/evasion fails.
    If you were to use the sawzall to attack or defend from another, it would be a weapon. If you use your truck to run over people, that is a weapon. If you use your gun to shoot off a lock, that is a tool. Please try to understand that there is a difference between the words "tool" and "weapon."

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    If you do not wish to go armed, that is your choice and I would not try to force you. Please give me the same courtesy and don't try to disarm me under the color of law.

    G.
    Straw man. Not once in this thread have I advocated laws to ban weapons.
    Last edited by FlyOnTheWall; 04-10-09 at 06:17 PM.

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