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    Re: Reports: 4 shot, hostages taken in Binghamton, NY

    Kinda makes those who thought the Burger King good samaritan was at fault, think twice....


    Probably not.
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    Re: Reports: 4 shot, hostages taken in Binghamton, NY

    Something like this does lend itself wonderfully for the gun debate, and other potential debates.

    But its foolish to debate it before any real facts get out. Why was the guy there? Who is the guy? What sparked this. Did anyone inside have a gun? Where did the guy get his gun. And on and on.

    But for the most part we don't know many if any real facts to actually DEBATE anything about this yet save for speculation and assumption based on nothing but emotion and stereotypes.

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    Re: Reports: 4 shot, hostages taken in Binghamton, NY

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    Something like this does lend itself wonderfully for the gun debate, and other potential debates.

    But its foolish to debate it before any real facts get out. Why was the guy there? Who is the guy? What sparked this. Did anyone inside have a gun? Where did the guy get his gun. And on and on.

    But for the most part we don't know many if any real facts to actually DEBATE anything about this yet save for speculation and assumption based on nothing but emotion and stereotypes.



    Given the prohibitionist nature of NY, there is no doubt in my mind that the people were disarmed. They were lambs to this wolves slaughter. This much we can assume.


    It is a sad reminder that police are historians, and that we are forced to be victims by the hypocrites we vote into power.
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    Re: Reports: 4 shot, hostages taken in Binghamton, NY

    Quote Originally Posted by Reverend_Hellh0und View Post
    Kinda makes those who thought the Burger King good samaritan was at fault, think twice....


    Probably not.
    If someone had died as a result in the burger king shootout other than the BG and the shooter, the shooter would be at fault in that situation.

    From the details I read on that, the CCW holder approached the robber, got into an altercation with him.. and then fired as a response to being fired at.

    It's of my opinion that if he was going to draw his weapon or interject he should have done so without confronting the would be robber.

    I'm still happy with the outcome of the robber being dead.. but I do believe the plan was executed pretty poorly.
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    Re: Reports: 4 shot, hostages taken in Binghamton, NY

    Quote Originally Posted by stevenb View Post
    If someone had died as a result in the burger king shootout other than the BG and the shooter, the shooter would be at fault in that situation.

    From the details I read on that, the CCW holder approached the robber, got into an altercation with him.. and then fired as a response to being fired at.

    It's of my opinion that if he was going to draw his weapon or interject he should have done so without confronting the would be robber.

    I'm still happy with the outcome of the robber being dead.. but I do believe the plan was executed pretty poorly.
    yes, he had the gun, he didn't seem to have a clue though.....


    He got lucky.
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    Re: Reports: 4 shot, hostages taken in Binghamton, NY

    Reports now say 13 dead, atleast 26 wounded. The gunman apparently backed his car of the immigration center then entered through the front with a high powered automatic or semi-automatic rifle and began shooting. Reports also say it was 1 Asian male, possibly Vietnamese, with the possibility of more shooters.

    The fact that it is an immigration related building surely lends credence to a possible motive.

    Political repercussions? I wonder if they will jump at the opportunity to highlight the need for tighter gun control regulations.


    I think it was a part of the 90% of weapons found in Mexico that originate in the U.S.....rrrrriiigggghhhttt
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    Re: Reports: 4 shot, hostages taken in Binghamton, NY

    Quote Originally Posted by Reverend_Hellh0und View Post
    Kinda makes those who thought the Burger King good samaritan was at fault, think twice....

    Probably not.
    Really? Why?

    Did the shooter have his face exposed or not? Did he come in demanding that the place give them their money, or did he come in immedietely taking hostages and seeming to have an alterior motive or a message to send? How did the shots that killed people come to be? I can go on and on.

    Kind of makes me not want to make any real judgement in any way till I know at least a smidgen of actual FACTS about this case first other than saying I feel for those within and pray that they those still alive get out alright and those who are wounded fight through.

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    Re: Reports: 4 shot, hostages taken in Binghamton, NY

    CNN reports WBNG-TV as saying the shooter is dead. But there is still a question of whether there were other hostage takers.

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    Re: Reports: 4 shot, hostages taken in Binghamton, NY

    I've also heard there were two people escorted out in handcuffs?

    The facts coming out seem odd and disjointed at this point.

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    Re: Reports: 4 shot, hostages taken in Binghamton, NY

    Quote Originally Posted by Polynikes View Post
    Reports now say 13 dead, atleast 26 wounded. The gunman apparently backed his car of the immigration center then entered through the front with a high powered automatic or semi-automatic rifle and began shooting.
    This could just be an error in translation from the source to this page, but assuming that translation is accurate....
    ... I just LOVE this sort of reporting.

    As if the reporters have a clue about this sort of thing.

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