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    Re: Reports: 4 shot, hostages taken in Binghamton, NY

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    Great.... It is impossible, even if everybody was locked and loaded. The wolves would then carry some sort of gassing agent to stop the militant sheep before leading them to the slaughter. Then the argument would be that the sheep do not carry gas masks and let themselves die because they were not prepared.



    Or cars or doctors. Both kill moreso than guns.
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    Re: Reports: 4 shot, hostages taken in Binghamton, NY

    Quote Originally Posted by FlyOnTheWall View Post
    I am advocating for nobody to be disarmed. I am merely criticizing the sheep/wolf analogy and the remark that these people were sheep and died due their own meekness.


    Let me ask you...


    What would you do....


    Your in a class and you hear gunshots, people screaming, and you notice a gunman walking your way?
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    Re: Reports: 4 shot, hostages taken in Binghamton, NY

    Quote Originally Posted by Reverend_Hellh0und View Post
    Or cars or doctors. Both kill moreso than guns.
    I am guessing that you have no idea what I said so you wrote this irrelevant comment, correct?

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    Re: Reports: 4 shot, hostages taken in Binghamton, NY

    Quote Originally Posted by FlyOnTheWall View Post
    I am guessing that you have no idea what I said so you wrote this irrelevant comment, correct?



    What did you say then. Thanks.
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    Re: Reports: 4 shot, hostages taken in Binghamton, NY

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    You don't have to like my response, but you DO have to accept that it IS my response.

    If you don't -- well, I don't really care. MY post was directed at WR, and HE knows that I am right.


    For the third or fourth time...he was NOT TALKING ABOUT ALL GUN OWNERS.

    But hey, feel free to re-write his post.

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    Re: Reports: 4 shot, hostages taken in Binghamton, NY

    Quote Originally Posted by SkyCore View Post
    For the third or fourth time...he was NOT TALKING ABOUT ALL GUN OWNERS.
    Read the post I quoted. Its pretty clear he was.

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    Re: Reports: 4 shot, hostages taken in Binghamton, NY

    Quote Originally Posted by Reverend_Hellh0und View Post
    What did you say then. Thanks.
    The point is that the attacker will always have the upper hand in these types of situations because the attack is not expected. How does a receptionist defend against a person who pulls out a gun and blows them away? The receptionist could have had a gun in the drawer and it would not have helped. To call this victim a sheep is absurd.

    I find it disturbing that you even questioned if some blame should be put back on the victims. I find it funny that you highlight some of the victims names who you think could have defended themselves without even knowing what happened inside the classroom. I have not seen any reports of anybody describing what happened in the classroom, have you? Who is to say that they did try to rush the killer and were shot trying? Perhaps you have read something I have not?

    I agree with Zyphin that this has been politicized before any details have been released.

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    Re: Reports: 4 shot, hostages taken in Binghamton, NY

    Quote Originally Posted by FlyOnTheWall View Post
    The point is that the attacker will always have the upper hand in these types of situations because the attack is not expected. How does a receptionist defend against a person who pulls out a gun and blows them away? The receptionist could have had a gun in the drawer and it would not have helped. To call this victim a sheep is absurd.

    I didn't. This would be a straw man.

    number 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15, 16, and 17, now that's a different story. At some point we all have to take charge of our lives.

    He fired 89 shots. he had to reload. This is a pause. Why did no one take that opportunity to try and save themselves?

    It is tragic.


    I find it disturbing that you even questioned if some blame should be put back on the victims. I find it funny that you highlight some of the victims names who you think could have defended themselves without even knowing what happened inside the classroom. I have not seen any reports of anybody describing what happened in the classroom, have you? Who is to say that they did try to rush the killer and were shot trying? Perhaps you have read something I have not?

    It is disturbing. It is more disturbing though that 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15, 16, and 17 may not have put up a fight.

    I agree with Zyphin that this has been politicized before any details have been released.

    If you notice, I am not being political at all, I have actually tried to take the gun as a defense tool out of the equation to highlight what I see as a major problem with our society today.
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    Re: Reports: 4 shot, hostages taken in Binghamton, NY

    Quote Originally Posted by Reverend_Hellh0und View Post
    I didn't. This would be a straw man.

    number 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15, 16, and 17, now that's a different story. At some point we all have to take charge of our lives.

    He fired 89 shots. he had to reload. This is a pause. Why did no one take that opportunity to try and save themselves?

    It is tragic.





    It is disturbing. It is more disturbing though that 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15, 16, and 17 may not have put up a fight.




    If you notice, I am not being political at all, I have actually tried to take the gun as a defense tool out of the equation to highlight what I see as a major problem with our society today.
    That's the victim's mentality... "not me, why me, thank god it wasn't me.".

    **** people who wouldn't take every opportunity they could to help others in such a situation, they deserve their death... when it comes to them.. that's called karma.

    I'd rather die on my feet trying, than be gunned down like some pathetic ass pussy cowardly begging for my life.
    George Washington didn't use his freedom of speech to win the war with Britain... He shot them.

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    Re: Reports: 4 shot, hostages taken in Binghamton, NY

    Quote Originally Posted by Reverend_Hellh0und View Post
    I didn't. This would be a straw man.
    No straw man.
    Without uttering a word, Voong shot two receptionists, killing one, then strode into a classroom where an English lesson was being held and shot dead another 12 people before turning the gun on himself, police chief Joseph Zikuski said.
    Quote Originally Posted by Reverend_Hellh0und View Post
    number 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15, 16, and 17, now that's a different story. At some point we all have to take charge of our lives.

    He fired 89 shots. he had to reload. This is a pause. Why did no one take that opportunity to try and save themselves?

    It is tragic.





    It is disturbing. It is more disturbing though that 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15, 16, and 17 may not have put up a fight.




    If you notice, I am not being political at all, I have actually tried to take the gun as a defense tool out of the equation to highlight what I see as a major problem with our society today.
    You criticize my comment as a straw man then post this? Then you justify it by "may have not put up a fight" The fact is you dont know if they put up a fight and have decided to to assume that they did not....

    The 89 shots is also a laugher. He could have incapacitated all of his victims without reloading, reloaded and started firing at will....I cant believe you used this as another attack on the victims to paint them as sheep.

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