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    Re: Reports: 4 shot, hostages taken in Binghamton, NY

    Quote Originally Posted by Reverend_Hellh0und View Post

    I was never speaking about the
    "People let themselves get shot"

    line. I was talking about how you said:


    "You also build a strawman, I never said that people choosing not to have a gun are meak. Get back to me when you want to be honest in our discussion."


    You never said that? Well, you did say:



    (Posted by RH)
    "Here 14 people let themselves get shot, not only was no one armed, but words like "cower" and "hid" are the words used here. it dismays me to know end that we teach ourselves to be meek when the wolf comes for the slaughter.... "


    So you point out nobody was armed then state it's because we teach ourselves to be meek when the wolf comes, then have the audacity to claim you never said that? If anyone around here is using a strawman it's you because I never had a single comment about your "they let themselves get shot" garbage.

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    Re: Reports: 4 shot, hostages taken in Binghamton, NY

    Quote Originally Posted by SkyCore View Post
    I was never speaking about the
    "People let themselves get shot"

    line. I was talking about how you said:


    "You also build a strawman, I never said that people choosing not to have a gun are meak. Get back to me when you want to be honest in our discussion."


    You never said that? Well, you did say:



    (Posted by RH)
    "Here 14 people let themselves get shot, not only was no one armed, but words like "cower" and "hid" are the words used here. it dismays me to know end that we teach ourselves to be meek when the wolf comes for the slaughter.... "


    So you point out nobody was armed then state it's because we teach ourselves to be meek when the wolf comes, then have the audacity to claim you never said that? If anyone around here is using a strawman it's you because I never had a single comment about your "they let themselves get shot" garbage.


    so are you always this obtuse? You and captain can keep taking my statement out of context and use it to bait and troll me all you want, ignoring my clear explainaitions, you are not here for honest debate.


    In case you still want to pretend I have never explained my postion:


    watch this story about how sheep (in the sense of my other link) like you sat there "put there head down" and let themselves be shot, and listen to this sheepdog and her story.

    YouTube - Suzanna Gratia Hupp explains meaning of 2nd Amendment!
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    Re: Reports: 4 shot, hostages taken in Binghamton, NY

    Quote Originally Posted by Reverend_Hellh0und View Post
    so are you always this obtuse? You and captain can keep taking my statement out of context and use it to bait and troll me all you want, ignoring my clear explainaitions, you are not here for honest debate.


    In case you still want to pretend I have never explained my postion:


    watch this story about how sheep (in the sense of my other link) like you sat there "put there head down" and let themselves be shot, and listen to this sheepdog and her story.

    YouTube - Suzanna Gratia Hupp explains meaning of 2nd Amendment!

    Well I guess it's easier to accuse others of being obtuse and lying. It's just mindblowing you defined the unarmed victims as being meek because they weren't armed then deny saying that when called on it. We have our own personal Bill Clinton saying the equivalent of "I did not have sexual relations with Ms Lewinsky"

    I'm embarrassed for people when they do this stuff.

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    Re: Reports: 4 shot, hostages taken in Binghamton, NY

    So now you're saying it's not enough that you have a constitutional right to own firearms, you're saying that everyone should carry guns, and that way there would be no more violence.

    It reminds me of an incident that I had on a road in Florida outside a ghost town named Fort Lonesome. I was on a long straight road when I came up behind a pickup truck. I passed the pickup truck and came to a stop light about a mile farther on. I was stopped at the light when the pickup truck pulled up behind me and a big guy with no shirt jumped out of the truck and came up to my window. He didn't like being passed. He wanted me to get out of the car.

    You're saying people like him should be carrying guns. You're saying I should have had a gun, so I could have killed him right through my window. I don't think you've thought this through. If you want to collect guns fine, nobody's going to take them away from you. The second amendment protects your right to own firearms. But don't go telling the rest of us that everyone should be carrying guns, to shoot their way out of confrontations. You have already demonstrated your irresponsibility by refusing to acknowledge the societal hazards of gun ownership. Don't compound it now by trying to bring back the Wild West.

    If you are really the mature firearms enthusiasts that you claim to be, why don't you put some thought into how we keep a certified nut job like this Vietnamese man from gathering and using an arsenal of weapons? That would be really useful.
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    Re: Reports: 4 shot, hostages taken in Binghamton, NY

    Quote Originally Posted by SkyCore View Post
    Well I guess it's easier to accuse others of being obtuse and lying. It's just mindblowing you defined the unarmed victims as being meek because they weren't armed then deny saying that when called on it. We have our own personal Bill Clinton saying the equivalent of "I did not have sexual relations with Ms Lewinsky"

    I'm embarrassed for people when they do this stuff.

    this makes you a prevaricator. Please. Stop lying, you're embarrassing yourself.


    I have clarified my statement so that even the simplest of people can grasp my concept at least 3 separate times. Why do you refuse to adress this?
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    Re: Reports: 4 shot, hostages taken in Binghamton, NY

    Quote Originally Posted by WillRockwell View Post
    So now you're saying it's not enough that you have a constitutional right to own firearms, you're saying that everyone should carry guns, and that way there would be no more violence.

    This is a lie. Are you jumping on the Sky-Captain bandwagon of lies?

    It reminds me of an incident that I had on a road in Florida outside a ghost town named Fort Lonesome. I was on a long straight road when I came up behind a pickup truck. I passed the pickup truck and came to a stop light about a mile farther on. I was stopped at the light when the pickup truck pulled up behind me and a big guy with no shirt jumped out of the truck and came up to my window. He didn't like being passed. He wanted me to get out of the car.

    You're saying people like him should be carrying guns. You're saying I should have had a gun, so I could have killed him right through my window. I don't think you've thought this through. If you want to collect guns fine, nobody's going to take them away from you. The second amendment protects your right to own firearms. But don't go telling the rest of us that everyone should be carrying guns, to shoot their way out of confrontations. You have already demonstrated your irresponsibility by refusing to acknowledge the societal hazards of gun ownership. Don't compound it now by trying to bring back the Wild West.
    This is about the dumbest bs story I have heard yet. I bet he was wearing a wife beater too.....


    If you are really the mature firearms enthusiasts that you claim to be, why don't you put some thought into how we keep a certified nut job like this Vietnamese man from gathering and using an arsenal of weapons? That would be really useful.



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    Re: Reports: 4 shot, hostages taken in Binghamton, NY

    Quote Originally Posted by Reverend_Hellh0und View Post
    This is a lie. Are you jumping on the Sky-Captain bandwagon of lies?

    You can't stop kill crazy madmen from applying thier trade. You can only endeavour to prepare for it.
    You call me a liar for suggesting you believe everyone should carry, then you say everyone should carry to prepare for crazy madmen. Excuse me for mistaking you for a hypocrite.

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    Re: Reports: 4 shot, hostages taken in Binghamton, NY

    Quote Originally Posted by WillRockwell View Post
    You call me a liar for suggesting you believe everyone should carry, then you say everyone should carry to prepare for crazy madmen. Excuse me for mistaking you for a hypocrite.


    So now you are simply "suggesting".... My point is eiher you are lying, or you are not smart enough to read my point, or that you are jumping on the bait wagon.


    Which is it?

    Have you read or even considered my other three points that go into my statement?


    Start with the one where I state it is about a mindset, not the tool or even having said tool.


    This is now 4 times I have tried to make it easy., Please don't disapoint.
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    Re: Reports: 4 shot, hostages taken in Binghamton, NY

    Quote Originally Posted by Reverend_Hellh0und View Post
    this makes you a prevaricator. Please. Stop lying, you're embarrassing yourself.


    I have clarified my statement so that even the simplest of people can grasp my concept at least 3 separate times. Why do you refuse to adress this?

    I've never asked for clarification but simply pointed out how you defined the victims as being meek for being unarmed. What's happening now isn't "clarification," it's called Millenium Falcon light speed backpedaling. But I don't think that's the most disturbing commentary, it's this one:


    (Posted by RH)
    "The gun is a tool, what is a shame gun or no gun is our society laying down to the wolf. how does 14 people get shot by 1 guy with 2 handguns? did anyone even attempt to fight back? the articles talk about hiding and cowering......"

    A murderer strolls into a building and starts whacking people and you have the audacity to blame them for trying to dodge bullets? That's simply sick and degenerate.

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    Re: Reports: 4 shot, hostages taken in Binghamton, NY

    Quote Originally Posted by WillRockwell View Post
    You call me a liar for suggesting you believe everyone should carry, then you say everyone should carry to prepare for crazy madmen. Excuse me for mistaking you for a hypocrite.

    From what I can tell the bulk of responses are simply false accusations. Responding to what posts say somehow fall into the categories of baiting, trolling, and lying. This is the Mud Method. If you throw enough on everyone else you can't see them thus you live in a world secure from accountability and the blessings of of an illusory infallibility.

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