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    Re: Iowa Court says gay marriage ban unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by winston53660 View Post
    Can a man sue her because she did abort?

    But this is really a different subject from the one being discussed now.
    Tru dat. But I am trying to point out, in general, that I don't think there will ever be such a thing as true equality. To many social factors and "what-if's" involved.

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    Re: Iowa Court says gay marriage ban unconstitutional

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    I always enjoy it when people throw out this fallacious argument. You do understand that there are many reasons why government supports and encourages marriage. These reasons occur through heterosexual marriage and through homosexual marriage, but not through polygamy.

    But please show us how plural marriage benefits the government and society to bolster your argument that polygamy would be sanctioned.

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    Re: Iowa Court says gay marriage ban unconstitutional

    I don't even see the merit in the argument here. Each situation should be considered on it's own merits which is why the slippery slope argument is so horrible. If we're ascribing to the slippery slope idea then we should certainly get rid of interracial marriage because the legalization of that is often used by supporters of same-sex marriage in their justification. Going back even we would probably have to get rid of marriage all together since marriage leads to people wanting equality in marriage rights (interracial/same-sex) and before you know it everybody is required to marry underage cat/toaster hybrids.

    The court made the right ruling and I hear that it will be three years before the constitution could be amended so hopefully this will be secure by then instead of having an immediate reactionary backlash.
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    Re: Iowa Court says gay marriage ban unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    If this is the game we're playing, doesn't fault then lie withing the SCotUS? It was the courts which ruled originally that the marriage license could not be applied to just interracial marriage. They changed marriage from between a man and a woman of the same race to just a man and a woman. So if that was changed, it is the source of all the downfall. Because clearly we as humans can't be rational about this so if we allow same sex marriage, we're totally going to allow polygamy, and let's throw in bestiality in there cause why do we have to limit it to the same species? Let's take the slippery slope and see where it goes, of course if we always did that nothing would get done. And in this instance it's very possible to be rational about this. But since we're not using rational arguments, then we'll tread back up the slippery slope to where it all started. We should never have allowed interracial marriage, that paved the way for the downfall of marriage. The purpose of the marriage license was to discriminate, it's still used that way (wonders how humanity grows).
    I believe that when the Supreme Court is faced with the issue of same-sex marriage, with the current make-up of the Court, it will rule in favor of it.

    The last significant ruling on gay rights was with Lawrence and Garner v. Texas (Regarding homosexuals in general): "Their right to liberty under the Due Process Clause gives them the full right to engage in their conduct without intervention of the government," wrote Justice Kennedy. "The Texas statute furthers no legitimate state interest which can justify its intrusion into the personal and private life of the individual."

    Justice Kennedy: "In Planned Parenthood of Southeastern Pa. v. Casey, 505 U. S. 833 (1992), the Court reaffirmed the substantive force of the liberty protected by the Due Process Clause. The Casey decision again confirmed that our laws and tradition afford constitutional protection to personal decisions relating to marriage, procreation, contraception, family relationships, child rearing, and education. In explaining the respect the Constitution demands for the autonomy of the person in making these choices, we stated as follows:

    'These matters, involving the most intimate and personal choices a person may make in a lifetime, choices central to personal dignity and autonomy, are central to the liberty protected by the Fourteenth Amendment. At the heart of liberty is the right to define one's own concept of existence, of meaning, of the universe, and of the mystery of human life. Beliefs about these matters could not define the attributes of personhood were they formed under compulsion of the State.'"

    Six justices signed onto the majority in Lawrence and Garner v. Texas. Only one justice, Sandra Day O'Connor, wrote a separate concurring opinion stating the government had a right to regulate marriage. All five justices who signed the majority, without the concurrence, are still on the Court (Kennedy, Breyer, Souter, Stevens, Ginsgurg).

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    Re: Iowa Court says gay marriage ban unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by winston53660 View Post
    If I can do something legally that a woman can not do legally that is not equal.
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    Nothing here affects my post in any way.
    You can get married. A woman can get married.
    Thus: More.

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    Re: Iowa Court says gay marriage ban unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by Captain America View Post
    Tru dat. But I am trying to point out, in general, that I don't think there will ever be such a thing as true equality. To many social factors and "what-if's" involved.
    There are cases where women have had to child support as well. My girlfriends X actually sued for sole custody and child support as well.

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    Re: Iowa Court says gay marriage ban unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    Again:
    Nothing here affects my post in any way.
    You can get married. A woman can get married.
    Thus: More.
    So, you get married to a woman and a woman gets married to you.

    More?

    I don't think so skippy.

    Single people get more. Much more.

    Believe that.


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    Re: Iowa Court says gay marriage ban unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by winston53660 View Post
    There are cases where women have had to child support as well. My girlfriends X actually sued for sole custody and child support as well.
    We've come a long way baby!

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    Re: Iowa Court says gay marriage ban unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    Again:
    Nothing here affects my post in any way.
    You can get married. A woman can get married.
    Thus: More.
    Equal protection under the law does affect your argument. Same does not mean equal. I can do something legally that a woman can not do that is not equal.

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