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    Re: Iowa Court says gay marriage ban unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by celticlord View Post
    A 50% +1 vote cannot possibly affect the right of women to vote. Not in the United States of America.
    Could the citizens of California decide to put women's suffrage to a public referendum?

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    Re: Iowa Court says gay marriage ban unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by emdash View Post
    but DO units--self-formed ones at that--have rights aside from the rights each member has as an individual?
    I guess that the whole, "you can't discriminate against blacks" and separate but equal or "you can't discriminate against women" voting thing doesn't make sense if "you can discriminate against homosexuals" getting married to a person of their own sexual orientation.
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    Re: Iowa Court says gay marriage ban unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by thabigred View Post
    Iowa has been pretty progressive lately... maybe they are the 21st century version of the 17th century Kansas. Hopefully they won't devolve like Kansas.

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    Re: Iowa Court says gay marriage ban unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by Slippery Slope View Post
    Iowa has been pretty progressive lately... maybe they are the 21st century version of the 17th century Kansas. Hopefully they won't devolve like Kansas.
    I don't think progressive is the world, I think it is fair. They are being pretty fair to everyone.

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    Re: Iowa Court says gay marriage ban unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by Orius View Post
    I was going to spend time reading this whole thread through, but once I started to read the typical arguments about activist judges and blah blah blah, I just skipped to the last page. It's nice to see the branches of government doing their job and delivering a fair ruling that is not done without any sneakiness or obscurity. I'm contented to just accept this and move on.
    The point of having separation of powers is to guard against arbitrary power which is what judicial activism is. The point is that the branches look after their own spheres not have one or two(because though the judiciary threatens to break down the rule of law and separation of powers the extra danger is the how the executive can use this.) become supreme over all spheres. Thomas Jefferson was right all those years ago.

    Please at least try and give an argument for your position when you applaud arbitrary power.
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    Re: Iowa Court says gay marriage ban unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by winston53660 View Post
    They applird the Constitution *shrug*
    If by applied you mean rewrote or turned into mere guidelines by reinterpreting it against tradition and precedent then you are correct.
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    Re: Iowa Court says gay marriage ban unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by thabigred View Post
    I don't think progressive is the world, I think it is fair. They are being pretty fair to everyone.
    Courts are not supposed to be "fair", "just", or any similar nonsense. They are supposed to be impartial arbiters of the law.

    Fairness is for legislatures, politicians, and the voters. Judges are only "fair" if they are impartial arbiters of the law.

    Consequently, the Iowa Supreme Court, being a most partial arbiter in this case, was decidedly "unfair".

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    Re: Iowa Court says gay marriage ban unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by Slippery Slope View Post
    Could the citizens of California decide to put women's suffrage to a public referendum?
    Technically, I suppose they could. The resultant law would automatically fail because of the 19th Amendment to the US Constitution.

    They could vote on it, but the results would be meaningless.

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    Re: Iowa Court says gay marriage ban unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by celticlord View Post
    Courts are not supposed to be "fair", "just", or any similar nonsense. They are supposed to be impartial arbiters of the law.

    Fairness is for legislatures, politicians, and the voters. Judges are only "fair" if they are impartial arbiters of the law.

    Consequently, the Iowa Supreme Court, being a most partial arbiter in this case, was decidedly "unfair".
    All you can expect from a law is to be fair, you are contradicting your own rhetoric.

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