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    Re: Iowa Court says gay marriage ban unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    Nice try my left wing friend but this has nothing to do with slavery........Hige difference when you try and compare a race of people against one defined by their sexual preference.............
    He is absolutely right on target Navy. Since it is up for the people to decide, shouldn't the issue of slavery be decided by a 50% +1 vote?
    What about the rights to own property?
    What about the right of women to vote? Should we put that to a 50% +1 vote.
    I know, lets let people decide if people should be allowed to own guns. Under your theory that should as well be put to a 50% +1 vote.

    Lets let the people decide, huh Navy?

    Would you be "OK with it" if the People of Washington passed a law that said "Marriage is only between a black man and a black woman"?
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    Re: Iowa Court says gay marriage ban unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    He is absolutely right on target Navy. Since it is up for the people to decide, shouldn't the issue of slavery be decided by a 50% +1 vote?
    What about the rights to own property?
    What about the right of women to vote? Should we put that to a 50% +1 vote.
    I know, lets let people decide if people should be allowed to own guns. Under your theory that should as well be put to a 50% +1 vote.

    Lets let the people decide, huh Navy?

    Would you be "OK with it" if the People of Washington passed a law that said "Marriage is only between a black man and a black woman"?
    In women and African Americans you keep naming true minorities and as far as I know gays can and do own a lot of properrty..........
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    Re: Iowa Court says gay marriage ban unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    In women and African Americans you keep naming true minorities and as far as I know gays can and do own a lot of properrty..........
    That's irrelevant.
    You either believe or you don't.. that Constitutional rights should be subject to a 50%+1 popular vote.

    Which is it Navy?

    Should YOUR Constitutional rights be put to the vote of the people?
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    Re: Iowa Court says gay marriage ban unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    What about the right of women to vote? Should we put that to a 50% +1 vote.
    How would a 50% +1 vote have any legal standing on the matter?

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    Re: Iowa Court says gay marriage ban unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    He is absolutely right on target Navy. Since it is up for the people to decide, shouldn't the issue of slavery be decided by a 50% +1 vote?
    What about the rights to own property?
    What about the right of women to vote? Should we put that to a 50% +1 vote.
    I know, lets let people decide if people should be allowed to own guns. Under your theory that should as well be put to a 50% +1 vote.

    Lets let the people decide, huh Navy?

    Would you be "OK with it" if the People of Washington passed a law that said "Marriage is only between a black man and a black woman"?
    Why are you comparing fundamental constitutional rights to state-sanctioned gay marriage?

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    Re: Iowa Court says gay marriage ban unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by celticlord View Post
    How would a 50% +1 vote have any legal standing on the matter?
    Because Navy is advocating that everything should be put to the "Will of the people". Thus, if 50% +1 of the people in this country vote to say "voting shall only be for males" or "marriage is defined as 1 black man and 1 black women"...then so be it. Its the "will of the people" ...."That's how things are done in this country".

    I suspect that people are OK with a 50%+1 popular vote on Constitutional rights that don't effect them....but somehow feel a little differently when it is their Constititional rights being decided by a popular vote.
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    Re: Iowa Court says gay marriage ban unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    Because Navy is advocating that everything should be put to the "Will of the people". Thus, if 50% +1 of the people in this country vote to say "voting shall only be for males" or "marriage is defined as 1 black man and 1 black women"...then so be it. Its the "will of the people" ...."That's how things are done in this country".

    I suspect that people are OK with a 50%+1 popular vote on Constitutional rights that don't effect them....but somehow feel a little differently when it is their Constititional rights being decided by a popular vote.
    There is no constitutional right to state-sanctioned marriage.... AT ALL. It doesn't even make sense.

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    Re: Iowa Court says gay marriage ban unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by BulletWounD View Post
    Why are you comparing fundamental constitutional rights to state-sanctioned gay marriage?
    Marriage has been recognized as a fundamental right.
    Regardless, Constitutional Equal Protection applies to privileges granted by states as well as those that are considered "fundamental rights"
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    Re: Iowa Court says gay marriage ban unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    Because Navy is advocating that everything should be put to the "Will of the people". Thus, if 50% +1 of the people in this country vote to say "voting shall only be for males" or "marriage is defined as 1 black man and 1 black women"...then so be it. Its the "will of the people" ...."That's how things are done in this country".

    I suspect that people are OK with a 50%+1 popular vote on Constitutional rights that don't effect them....but somehow feel a little differently when it is their Constititional rights being decided by a popular vote.
    In all of your ranting, you completely failed to answer my question. Navy's positions are not relevant to my question.

    How does a 50% +1 vote have any legal standing on the right of women to vote?

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    Re: Iowa Court says gay marriage ban unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by BulletWounD View Post
    There is no constitutional right to state-sanctioned marriage.... AT ALL. It doesn't even make sense.
    Sure there is. If a state is issuing contracts, they still have to comply with Constitutional safeguards. Suppose a state said it was only going to issue business licenses to Arab Americans. There is no fundamental right to a state issued business license...so are you suggesting that a black, white, asian etc wouldn't have an equal protection claim against the state in such a case? That would be a ridiculous argument to make.
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