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    Re: Iowa Court says gay marriage ban unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    gay marriage is absolutely a civil rights issue. How can you possibly argue it isn't?
    Because it isn't, and because no substantive argument has been advanced that it is.

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    Re: Iowa Court says gay marriage ban unconstitutional

    Read your posts

    The problem is...you are reading them and interpreting them according to YOUR view of the words. Part of being American is that others may disagree.
    Show me where the Constitution affirms your legal premise; or are you incapable of this?

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    Re: Iowa Court says gay marriage ban unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by celticlord View Post
    Because it isn't, and because no substantive argument has been advanced that it is.
    Hello! Anybody home? It has already been recognized as such on numerous ocassions. Just because you argue it isn't doesn't make it so.
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    Re: Iowa Court says gay marriage ban unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by Ethereal View Post
    Show me where the Constitution affirms your legal premise; or are you incapable of this?
    I can't be any more clear. Its called "THE EQUAL PROTECTION CLAUSE OF THE UNITED STATE CONSTITUTION".

    It goes a little something like this..."no state shall ... deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws".
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    Re: Iowa Court says gay marriage ban unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    gay marriage is absolutely a civil rights issue. How can you possibly argue it isn't?

    The courts have recognized marriage as being a fundamental right. An infringement on that right is by its very definition a civil rights issue.
    Go back to post 202, and when you get to this post, go back to post 202 again and keep reading...repeat this cycle for all eternity or until you choose to stop arguing in circles.

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    Re: Iowa Court says gay marriage ban unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    Hello! Anybody home? It has already been recognized as such on numerous ocassions. Just because you argue it isn't doesn't make it so.
    Nor does your blessing upon such argument render it substantive--particularly when you are unable to state with clarity how various facets of the Constitution, such as the 14th Amendment (that "equal protection" "clause" you throw about haphazardly).

    The argument line of "I want what I want and denying me what I want is unequal" doesn't work, just to clarify.

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    Re: Iowa Court says gay marriage ban unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    I can't be any more clear. Its called "THE EQUAL PROTECTION CLAUSE OF THE UNITED STATE CONSTITUTION".
    Then you are left with only two options:

    1. Abolish any government program which violates this clause.

    2. Give me a minority housing grant and a social security check.

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    Re: Iowa Court says gay marriage ban unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by celticlord View Post
    Nor does your blessing upon such argument render it substantive--particularly when you are unable to state with clarity how various facets of the Constitution, such as the 14th Amendment (that "equal protection" "clause" you throw about haphazardly).

    The argument line of "I want what I want and denying me what I want is unequal" doesn't work, just to clarify.
    Total cop-out. Show me anywhere I have argued what you are claiming? I guess when you have no argument you jump to fabrications....niiiiiice.
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    Re: Iowa Court says gay marriage ban unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by Ethereal View Post
    Then you are left with only two options:

    1. Abolish any government program which violates this clause.

    2. Give me a minority housing grant and a social security check.
    No. Again, you have to understand that not everything is treated the same under Equal protection analysis. People who don't understand it make that misconception all the time.

    There are 3 levels of analysis: Strict Scrutiny being the highest, Intermediate and Standard Scrutiny.

    Each triggers a different burden on the government to justify its infringement.
    Strict requires a compelling governmental interest
    Intermediate an important one
    and Standard...a legitimate one.
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    Re: Iowa Court says gay marriage ban unconstitutional

    Jerry, are you going to submit a different argument or should I proceed to cut your previous one to shreds?

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