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    Re: Iowa Court says gay marriage ban unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by Slippery Slope View Post
    Polygamy yes, incest no. I think you know the reason so don't bother being obtuse.
    For as long as people with other genetic diseases are allowed to marry there is no reason so you can take your personal attack and shove it

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    Re: Iowa Court says gay marriage ban unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    I used the fact that the communist regimes forcibly suppress the expression and establishment of religion and actively discourage the engagement in religion. Atheism has no such tenet (it has no tenets in fact, other than there being no god). Atheism doesn't seek destruction of other religions, it's merely a philosophy of itself. Anti-theism, on the other hand, is just as described. It's the active search to destroy religion as it can be practiced by the people, it's completely different than atheism.

    If you want to talk about "true" atheist governments, I would say the closest you can come is that of a secular government. One in which no religion is promoted or disparaged.
    I don't think you can credibly make that statement since there is no "atheist society" to compare to. I also disagree with your definition of Anti-theism as well as it's comparison to communism.

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    Re: Iowa Court says gay marriage ban unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    Ahh so a ZEF is a "person" as of conseption according to you. THat's for another thread though
    I was pretending to be anti-choice with my response.

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    Re: Iowa Court says gay marriage ban unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    Yup.



    Not so long as people with other genetic diseases are allowed to get married.



    The argument I'm making here isn't necessarily opposed to gay-marriage.

    I'm saying gay-marriage not a civil rights issue. You can still establish gay-marriage without it being a civil rights issue. Society can come together and say "you know, gays may not be 'entitled' to marriage, but we think gay-marriage would be a good thing so we're gona go ahead and allow it."

    Without opposing gay-marriage I'm pointing out that since there is no 'fundamental right' to *marry* just whomever you want, there is no right being denied and therefore no "discrimination".

    Gays are confusing the fundamental right of free association with the fundamental right to marry. Go ahead and love who you want, make a life and live with whom you please. Marriage, however, serve a purpose, and ANYONE who doesn't intend or can not fulfill that purpose has no business getting married.

    Even in futile Japan and Rome where gay relationships were the accepted norm, marriage was always respected for it's function and neither society sought to have same-sex "marriages".
    What is the purpose? I was not given a hand guide, so consequently I am probably not achieving the intended purpose.
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    Re: Iowa Court says gay marriage ban unconstitutional

    [QUOTE=Coolguy;1057982501]No... it is not discrimination or an injustice.

    Sure they are...


    The relationship isn't the same.

    No relationship is the same...

    There is inequality because the relationships are not the same.

    No relationship is the same...

    No they are not.

    Yes they are...

    Are you saying that the men who formulated, wrote and signed the Constitution would support gay marriage?
    I highly doubt it... And they clearly new what this country stands for.


    Where in the world do you do you get that from?
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    Re: Iowa Court says gay marriage ban unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by Slippery Slope View Post
    I don't think you can credibly make that statement since there is no "atheist society" to compare to. I also disagree with your definition of Anti-theism as well as it's comparison to communism.
    You can disagree all you like. I don't see atheism in and of itself as much a threat as mostly that works its way out in very secular ways. The only calls against religion comes from anti-theists which is definitely pushed by any ideology which wants to make the government to be the supreme, ultimate power which can not be questioned by anything including gods. Communist governments in practice are pretty much this definition.
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    Re: Iowa Court says gay marriage ban unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by Coolguy View Post
    Are you saying that the men who formulated, wrote and signed the Constitution would support gay marriage?
    I highly doubt it... And they clearly new what this country stands for.[/SIZE][/FONT][/I]
    They may or may not support gay marriage, I doubt highly that the issue was ever given much thought at the time (what do you think?), but I can guarantee one thing...they would support equal protection and standards of fairness...and ultimately that is what is involved in this issue.
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    Re: Iowa Court says gay marriage ban unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by Coolguy View Post
    To obtain recognition through the usurpation of the term marriage, is the wrong way to go.[/I]
    This is always one of my favorite anti-gay marriage arguments...the arrogance that people have an exclusive claim of right to a word based solely on sexual orientation.

    Does this mean that gays can now forbid straights from using the word "fabulous"?
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    Re: Iowa Court says gay marriage ban unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    What is the purpose? I was not given a hand guide, so consequently I am probably not achieving the intended purpose.
    The purpose of the institution of marriage is to promote the formation and maintenance the Nuclear Family, as this is in the best interests of any children being raised and by extension society as a whole.
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    Re: Iowa Court says gay marriage ban unconstitutional

    Marriage is not a right. It is a discriminatory institution that confers benefits upon a specifically defined group of people. If people are going to claim a gay couple has the "right" to a marriage then I'm going to claim I have a "right" to a minority housing grant.

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