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    Re: Iowa Court says gay marriage ban unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by celticlord View Post
    Besides, one can argue the value of "religion" without asserting the primacy of a religion.
    Not really, you can't assess the value of anything in a vacuum, there must be a comparative.

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    Re: Iowa Court says gay marriage ban unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by Fixxxer View Post
    It is not unconstitutional. The Constitution says nothing at all about gay marriage. That means the right to decide weather or not it is legal is the state's right.
    Some could, rightfully, argue that it is unconstitutional since it is depriving a citizen of the pursuit of liberty and happiness as well as being discriminatory which is also unconstitutional.

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    Re: Iowa Court says gay marriage ban unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    Ahh so we have to allow polygamy, according to you, since Marital Status is a protected class.

    Oh you don't like the polygamy angle? Ok, then you have to allow incest since Familial Relation is a protected class.

    Pft, "Discrimination is illegal", as if that's true

    Yup, not allowing gay marriage is discrimination, and that is acceptable and ethical.
    Polygamy yes, incest no. I think you know the reason so don't bother being obtuse.

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    Re: Iowa Court says gay marriage ban unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by Coolguy View Post
    No... it is not discrimination or an injustice.


    The relationship isn't the same.



    There is inequality because the relationships are not the same.


    No they are not.


    Are you saying that the men who formulated, wrote and signed the Constitution would support gay marriage?
    I highly doubt it... And they clearly new what this country stands for.
    Sorry, you're wrong on every account. If you'd like to defend or discuss your comments you'll have to expond on them a bit more.

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    Re: Iowa Court says gay marriage ban unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by Midwest Lib View Post
    "Are you saying that the men who formulated, wrote and signed the Constitution would support gay marriage?
    I highly doubt it... And they clearly new what this country stands for."

    That is incredibly arrogant firstly. To say this country stands for something because you say so is just ridiculous. Secondly using the founding fathers beliefs in an era long past is illogical as well. For example, there are founding fathers that had slaves. Do you support slavery because there are founding fathers who were ok with it? A document that old, regardless of its significance and important content will not completely pertain to modern American civilization.
    Like the bible.

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    Re: Iowa Court says gay marriage ban unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by Coolguy View Post
    As for your 'slaves' argument; It is a topic onto itself.
    I would love to see your opinion regarding that so start a thread!

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    Re: Iowa Court says gay marriage ban unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by Coolguy View Post
    Marriage is a term used to describe the union between those of the opposite gender and should not be usurped by the homosexual community to get the same status and privileges, especially when a same gender union is different from an opposite gender union.
    And when did this definition come into being?

    How is a homosexual union different than a heterosexual union?

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    Re: Iowa Court says gay marriage ban unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by Coolguy View Post
    [SIZE="3"][FONT="Georgia"][I]The problem resided in recognition. Not with the union itself.
    If Civil Unions had the same 'rights' and privileges guaranteed. There would be no problem.
    I can see no reason why they wouldn't contain the same rights.

    To obtain recognition through the usurpation of the term marriage, is the wrong way to go.
    Since the term has been "usurped" many times your statement is irrelevant.

    [SIZE="3"][FONT="Georgia"][I]Not at all.
    They both receive a Contract of Union, same gender couples get to call theirs a Civil Union and opposite gender couples get to call theirs a Marriage.
    Same recognition, but different in name only because of the difference in the genders involved.
    Why does the gender of the individuals have any impact on the contract?

    Like said: "I find it funny that the homosexual community wants to be respected, but in turn, show great disrespect in their attempted efforts to get there."

    It is very disrespectful for the homosexual community to try and usurp the term.
    The current definition is a usurpation to begin with.


    [SIZE="3"][FONT="Georgia"][I]Yep, marriage used to be a contract of ownership rather than union.
    But historically, and for the vast majority of all occurrences, it has always been between a man and a woman.
    A few occurrences of same gender unions usurping the term Marriage does not supplant what it means, or shows that it has changed.
    OH well looky here... I'm glad you recognize the problem with your use of "usurping" the term. To bad you don't follow that just one step farther.

    Different gender versus same gender. That clearly isn't the same.
    Please explain the relevance of the difference.

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    Re: Iowa Court says gay marriage ban unconstitutional

    [quote=celticlord;1057982710]Captain, need I remind you that the position of "no religion" is itself a religious position, and thus, paradoxically, "'NO' religion" is still religion?

    You can disclaim the need for a sacred text -- that is a religious statement.

    No it's not.

    You can deny the existence of a Deity -- that is a religious statement.

    No it's not.

    You can deny that anything beyond the empirical world of the senses exists -- that is a religious statement.

    No it's not.

    When you make religious statements, you are practicing religion.

    That is true.

    What unites the Atheist with the Fundamentalist is their fervent faith in their own beliefs; one is neither more nor less religious than the other.
    This exposes your lack of understand of atheism.

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    Re: Iowa Court says gay marriage ban unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by Slippery Slope View Post
    This exposes your lack of understand of atheism.
    It demonstrates my understanding of religions, including atheism.

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