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    Re: Iowa Court says gay marriage ban unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    CoolGuy and I are not arguing against gay-marriage here. We are only pointing out that gay-marriage is not a civil rights issue.
    Nor is it justiciable, to borrow Rehnquist's vernacular.

    Courts are not where this issue should be decided; they are not competent to resolve such issues.

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    Re: Iowa Court says gay marriage ban unconstitutional

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    I used the fact that the communist regimes forcibly suppress the expression and establishment of religion and actively discourage the engagement in religion. Atheism has no such tenet (it has no tenets in fact, other than there being no god). Atheism doesn't seek destruction of other religions, it's merely a philosophy of itself. Anti-theism, on the other hand, is just as described. It's the active search to destroy religion as it can be practiced by the people, it's completely different than atheism.

    If you want to talk about "true" atheist governments, I would say the closest you can come is that of a secular government. One in which no religion is promoted or disparaged.
    Rockbiter: Near my home there used to be a beautiful lake, but then it was gone.

    Tiny: Did the lake dry up?

    Rockbiter: No, it just wasn't there anymore. Nothing was there anymore. Not even a dried up lake.

    Tiny: A hole ?

    Rockbiter: No, a hole would be something. Nah, it was nothing. And it got bigger and bigger. First there was no lake anymore and then finally, no rocks.

    Nighthob: Hah! If he keeps stuffing his face like that, soon there won't be any rocks left here either! (Nighthob complains to the little man. As he starts to walk away, the little man grabs him.)

    Tiny: Nighthob, this could be serious! Rockbiter, what you have told us is also occurring where I live in the west ! A strange sort of Nothing is destroying everything.

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    Re: Iowa Court says gay marriage ban unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    Rockbiter: Near my home there used to be a beautiful lake, but then it was gone.

    Tiny: Did the lake dry up?

    Rockbiter: No, it just wasn't there anymore. Nothing was there anymore. Not even a dried up lake.

    Tiny: A hole ?

    Rockbiter: No, a hole would be something. Nah, it was nothing. And it got bigger and bigger. First there was no lake anymore and then finally, no rocks.

    Nighthob: Hah! If he keeps stuffing his face like that, soon there won't be any rocks left here either! (Nighthob complains to the little man. As he starts to walk away, the little man grabs him.)

    Tiny: Nighthob, this could be serious! Rockbiter, what you have told us is also occurring where I live in the west ! A strange sort of Nothing is destroying everything.
    Is there a point here or are you bitching about me answering someone's question?
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

    Quote Originally Posted by A. de Tocqueville
    "I should have loved freedom, I believe, at all times, but in the time in which we live I am ready to worship it."

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    Re: Iowa Court says gay marriage ban unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Is there a point here or are you bitching about me answering someone's question?
    I was making a movie reference to back up the concept of your argument

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    Re: Iowa Court says gay marriage ban unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by celticlord View Post
    Don't forget Atheism and Humanism.

    People practice them, thus reiterating the human need for religion. Every human has a spiritual dimension and a spiritual perspective. It is the order of things.
    Ah, no. I don't care what the religious say, atheism is not a religion and atheists don't "practice" atheism.

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    Re: Iowa Court says gay marriage ban unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by UtahBill View Post
    I prefer Pizza based theology, you start with the minimum, cheeses, sauce, crust, then add the toppings you desire...
    That sounds like xianity. Start with the bearded old man in the sky and add the toppings you desire.

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    Re: Iowa Court says gay marriage ban unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by celticlord View Post
    Yes I do.

    That which resides in your heart.
    That which resides in my heart.
    That which resides in any man's heart.

    aww, that sounds nice. Too bad it's completely meaningless. It sounds more like faith than religion in any event.

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    Re: Iowa Court says gay marriage ban unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    Pizzapherianism....when does a pizza become a "pizza"?
    As soon as you put the flour in the bowl?

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    Re: Iowa Court says gay marriage ban unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by Slippery Slope View Post
    As soon as you put the flour in the bowl?
    Ahh so a ZEF is a "person" as of conseption according to you. THat's for another thread though

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    Re: Iowa Court says gay marriage ban unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    • Charles Carroll Maryland Catholic
    • Samuel Huntington Connecticut Congregationalist
    • Roger Sherman Connecticut Congregationalist
    • William Williams Connecticut Congregationalist
    • Oliver Wolcott Connecticut Congregationalist
    • Lyman Hall Georgia Congregationalist
    • Samuel Adams Massachusetts Congregationalist
    • John Hancock Massachusetts Congregationalist
    • Josiah Bartlett New Hampshire Congregationalist
    • William Whipple New Hampshire Congregationalist
    • William Ellery Rhode Island Congregationalist
    • John Adams Massachusetts Congregationalist; Unitarian
    • Robert Treat Paine Massachusetts Congregationalist; Unitarian
    • George Walton Georgia Episcopalian
    • John Penn North Carolina Episcopalian
    • George Ross Pennsylvania Episcopalian
    • Thomas Heyward Jr. South Carolina Episcopalian
    • Thomas Lynch Jr. South Carolina Episcopalian
    • Arthur Middleton South Carolina Episcopalian
    • Edward Rutledge South Carolina Episcopalian
    • Francis Lightfoot Lee Virginia Episcopalian
    • Richard Henry Lee Virginia Episcopalian
    • George Read Delaware Episcopalian
    • Caesar Rodney Delaware Episcopalian
    • Samuel Chase Maryland Episcopalian
    • William Paca Maryland Episcopalian
    • Thomas Stone Maryland Episcopalian
    • Elbridge Gerry Massachusetts Episcopalian
    • Francis Hopkinson New Jersey Episcopalian
    • Francis Lewis New York Episcopalian
    • Lewis Morris New York Episcopalian
    • William Hooper North Carolina Episcopalian
    • Robert Morris Pennsylvania Episcopalian
    • John Morton Pennsylvania Episcopalian
    • Stephen Hopkins Rhode Island Episcopalian
    • Carter Braxton Virginia Episcopalian
    • Benjamin Harrison Virginia Episcopalian
    • Thomas Nelson Jr. Virginia Episcopalian
    • George Wythe Virginia Episcopalian
    • Thomas Jefferson Virginia Episcopalian (Deist)
    • Benjamin Franklin Pennsylvania Episcopalian (Deist)
    • Button Gwinnett Georgia Episcopalian; Congregationalist
    • James Wilson Pennsylvania Episcopalian; Presbyterian
    • Joseph Hewes North Carolina Quaker, Episcopalian
    • George Clymer Pennsylvania Quaker, Episcopalian
    • Thomas McKean Delaware Presbyterian
    • Matthew Thornton New Hampshire Presbyterian
    • Abraham Clark New Jersey Presbyterian
    • John Hart New Jersey Presbyterian
    • Richard Stockton New Jersey Presbyterian
    • John Witherspoon New Jersey Presbyterian
    • William Floyd New York Presbyterian
    • Philip Livingston New York Presbyterian
    • James Smith Pennsylvania Presbyterian
    • George Taylor Pennsylvania Presbyterian
    • Benjamin Rush Pennsylvania Presbyterian
    Would you say that all of those men were as important to the founding of our nation as Franklin, Adams, Jefferson, Pain, Alexander and a few others?

    It's important to note that all of the Founding Fathers followed Christian doctrine for rules on how to conduct ones self, for it was so intertwined with the society. Benjamin Franklin probably explains it best when he, to paraphrase, said that although he is unsure of whether God exists or not, he felt it was better to believe in Christianity and the Christian God than not to, for the Christian teachings prevented moral anarchy. Thus, our nation was founded on Christian principles because the Founding Generation recognized the value in them to create a moral, virtuous society.
    IMHO, the important thing to note is that "religion" was so ingrained in the concept of society that they made such statements. Franklin only ASSUMES that society is better to believe in xianity than no religion because he had no actual experience with a society without it. Do you think HE would say the same thing today?

    Even Thomas Jefferson, who is today often mistaken for a Deist or an atheist, said when speaking of Jesus' teachings in the NT,

    "A more beautiful or precious morsel of ethics I have never seen. It is a document in proof that I am a real Christian, that is to say, a disciple of the doctrines of Jesus"
    He is not mistaken as a deist, he was a deist who couldn't wrap his mind around a society without those teachings of Jesus. Even though Asia had the most advanced society without the teachings of Jesus. Regardless, it's obvious that he disagreed with the divinity, and miraculous notions in the bible; which is why he created his own bible.

    Jefferson's admonitions of Catholicism and what he saw as Platonic influence on Christianity should not be seen as a dismissal by Jefferson of Christianity as a whole.
    I disagree completely and the vast majority of his writings on the subject paint a clear picture of his belief and it's dilemma.
    While running for President, Jefferson had to defend himself against charges that he was an atheist because there were laws throughout the country at that time that did not permit atheists, or anyone who did not practice Christian morality, to hold office.
    Exactly... the politician in him forced him to say things to hide his true feelings. His public statements seem to endorse religion while his private correspondence exhibited his disdain for it.

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