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    Re: Iowa Court says gay marriage ban unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by UtahBill View Post
    How so? even superstition can be considered religlion....
    do you know of any pure and/or true religions?
    Yes I do.

    That which resides in your heart.
    That which resides in my heart.
    That which resides in any man's heart.

    Jesus said, "I am the light that is over all things. I am all: from me all came forth, and to me all attained.

    Split a piece of wood; I am there.

    Lift up the stone, and you will find me there."

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    Re: Iowa Court says gay marriage ban unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by UtahBill View Post
    I prefer Pizza based theology, you start with the minimum, cheeses, sauce, crust, then add the toppings you desire...
    Pizzapherianism....when does a pizza become a "pizza"?

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    Re: Iowa Court says gay marriage ban unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    Pizzapherianism....when does a pizza become a "pizza"?
    When it receives the blessings of olives and mozzarella.

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    Re: Iowa Court says gay marriage ban unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by Midwest Lib View Post
    In fact the majority of the founding fathers were Deists or Unitarians but rejected the belief in Jesus and the New and Old Testament.
    • Charles Carroll Maryland Catholic
    • Samuel Huntington Connecticut Congregationalist
    • Roger Sherman Connecticut Congregationalist
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    • William Whipple New Hampshire Congregationalist
    • William Ellery Rhode Island Congregationalist
    • John Adams Massachusetts Congregationalist; Unitarian
    • Robert Treat Paine Massachusetts Congregationalist; Unitarian
    • George Walton Georgia Episcopalian
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    • Thomas Jefferson Virginia Episcopalian (Deist)
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    It's important to note that all of the Founding Fathers followed Christian doctrine for rules on how to conduct ones self, for it was so intertwined with the society. Benjamin Franklin probably explains it best when he, to paraphrase, said that although he is unsure of whether God exists or not, he felt it was better to believe in Christianity and the Christian God than not to, for the Christian teachings prevented moral anarchy. Thus, our nation was founded on Christian principles because the Founding Generation recognized the value in them to create a moral, virtuous society.

    Even Thomas Jefferson, who is today often mistaken for a Deist or an atheist, said when speaking of Jesus' teachings in the NT,

    "A more beautiful or precious morsel of ethics I have never seen. It is a document in proof that I am a real Christian, that is to say, a disciple of the doctrines of Jesus"

    Jefferson's admonitions of Catholicism and what he saw as Platonic influence on Christianity should not be seen as a dismissal by Jefferson of Christianity as a whole.

    While running for President, Jefferson had to defend himself against charges that he was an atheist because there were laws throughout the country at that time that did not permit atheists, or anyone who did not practice Christian morality, to hold office.

    Religion of the Founding Fathers of America

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    Quote Originally Posted by Midwest Lib View Post
    The reason you haven't seen a thriving atheist society is that people who are atheist don't share a common belief that they need to believe in as a community so much as just a lack of belief.
    My point exactly.

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    Re: Iowa Court says gay marriage ban unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by celticlord View Post
    When it receives the blessings of olives and mozzarella.
    Olives are for the vegan variant.....heretics have been know to add anchovies...
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    Re: Iowa Court says gay marriage ban unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    Pizzapherianism....when does a pizza become a "pizza"?
    When the toppings include fresh tomato slices after the pizza is cooked.
    Pepperoni and pineapple is for peasants.
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    Re: Iowa Court says gay marriage ban unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by UtahBill View Post
    Pepperoni and pineapple is for peasants.
    Now that's just uncalled for.

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    Re: Iowa Court says gay marriage ban unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by UtahBill View Post
    When the toppings include fresh tomato slices after the pizza is cooked.
    You overlooked the bell peppers.

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    Re: Iowa Court says gay marriage ban unconstitutional

    "It's important to note that all of the Founding Fathers followed Christian doctrine for rules on how to conduct ones self, for it was so intertwined with the society. Benjamin Franklin probably explains it best when he, to paraphrase, said that although he is unsure of whether God exists or not, he felt it was better to believe in Christianity and the Christian God than not to, for the Christian teachings prevented moral anarchy. Thus, our nation was founded on Christian principles because the Founding Generation recognized the value in them to create a moral, virtuous society."

    Seems pretty simplistic and pretty unnecessary to me. Its like saying I don't really know if i believe in it, but its better to be safe than sorry. I can respect a person and their faith, but being a christian "just in case" seems worse than not believing and living a truly moral and good life. I think if there is a god, whether in the capacity any of our world religions see him or not, he could probably see the hypocrisy of one just believing out of fear.

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    Re: Iowa Court says gay marriage ban unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by celticlord View Post
    You overlooked the bell peppers.
    Nasty stuff....next you will wanting to add eggplant and okra....philistines !!!
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