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    Re: Iowa Court says gay marriage ban unconstitutional

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    I might ague that religion (any religion) is a necessary agent of socialization of any society. Could you give an example of a successful and thriving modern atheist society?
    China is coming up. Russia was doing well for awhile. Most free counties have religion because they allow their people to choose. The only way to have an "atheist" society is to deny religion, it's actually anti-theism and is as dangerous as theocracy IMO to freedom. That's what the best government is secular, then the people can choose for themselves their own religion. I like having all sorts of different religions around...it's a good sign of freedom.
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    Re: Iowa Court says gay marriage ban unconstitutional

    I think you will see the good people of Iowa overturn the decision of these activist judges by changing their constitution as the good people of California did.
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    Re: Iowa Court says gay marriage ban unconstitutional

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    A pure and true religion makes it easier for us to be governed, but very few of our religions come even close to being pure and true.
    Untrue, but also irrelevant to the topic at hand.

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    Witchcraft and satanism are religions, how does that fit into the need for religion being absolute?
    Don't forget Atheism and Humanism.

    People practice them, thus reiterating the human need for religion. Every human has a spiritual dimension and a spiritual perspective. It is the order of things.

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    Re: Iowa Court says gay marriage ban unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    China is coming up. Russia was doing well for awhile. Most free counties have religion because they allow their people to choose. The only way to have an "atheist" society is to deny religion, it's actually anti-theism and is as dangerous as theocracy IMO to freedom. That's what the best government is secular, then the people can choose for themselves their own religion. I like having all sorts of different religions around...it's a good sign of freedom.
    China, where the emperor is a god, and Russia is not doing well now, which is what I asked for.

    Also, you're talking about a secular government. Don't. We're talking about the society, NOT the government. The people, NOT the state.

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    Re: Iowa Court says gay marriage ban unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by celticlord View Post
    Untrue, but also irrelevant to the topic at hand.

    Don't forget Atheism and Humanism.

    People practice them, thus reiterating the human need for religion. Every human has a spiritual dimension and a spiritual perspective. It is the order of things.
    How so? even superstition can be considered religlion....
    do you know of any pure and/or true religions?
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    Re: Iowa Court says gay marriage ban unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by UtahBill View Post
    How so? even superstition can be considered religlion....
    do you know of any pure and/or true religions?
    Taoism, which rubs off on how Asian people's are better at dealing with morals, and why western societies are much harder at dealing with them.

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    Re: Iowa Court says gay marriage ban unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by UtahBill View Post
    How so? even superstition can be considered religlion....
    do you know of any pure and/or true religions?
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    Re: Iowa Court says gay marriage ban unconstitutional

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    Re: Iowa Court says gay marriage ban unconstitutional

    Originally Posted by Wessexman View Post
    Of course they didn't want to force religion onto someone. However they certainly did construct it for a people who were religious and moral. It was not made for abstract people but the American people of the time and the FF's were sure of this. They knew it required a certain kind of national and individual temperament for it to be maintained.


    The founding fathers wanted NOTHING to do with forcing religion on others. Its a big reason for leaving the motherland to begin with. Freedom of religion also includes freedom FROM religion. In fact the majority of the founding fathers were Deists or Unitarians but rejected the belief in Jesus and the New and Old Testament. My point is that religion and morality are not mutually exclusive. I have met many moral atheists just as I have met many immoral theists. I don't deny that Christianity has brought great happiness to many people and is the foundation of a healthy life, but don't minimize all atheists to terrible people

    Jerry: "I might ague that religion (any religion) is a necessary agent of socialization of any society. Could you give an example of a successful and thriving modern atheist society?"

    I disagree that it is a necessary agent, but one that will certainly be evident for a long time to come. The reason you haven't seen a thriving atheist society is that people who are atheist don't share a common belief that they need to believe in as a community so much as just a lack of belief. As such we feel no need to congregate in the same way that the religious do. While I feel very distant and disconnected from religion I do still believe that it is one of our nations great rights. I will listen to a person for 15 minutes about why their office chair is their deity, but the moment you try to tell me to believe it, that is when I have a problem. Also, don't confuse an atheist society to Communist states outlawed religion. Anti-theism is far different from atheism and was used only as another method of controlling a states people.
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    Re: Iowa Court says gay marriage ban unconstitutional

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