You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo
Originally Posted by A. de Tocqueville
I think you will see the good people of Iowa overturn the decision of these activist judges by changing their constitution as the good people of California did.
"God Bless Our Troops in Harms Way."
People practice them, thus reiterating the human need for religion. Every human has a spiritual dimension and a spiritual perspective. It is the order of things.
Originally Posted by Wessexman View Post
Of course they didn't want to force religion onto someone. However they certainly did construct it for a people who were religious and moral. It was not made for abstract people but the American people of the time and the FF's were sure of this. They knew it required a certain kind of national and individual temperament for it to be maintained.
The founding fathers wanted NOTHING to do with forcing religion on others. Its a big reason for leaving the motherland to begin with. Freedom of religion also includes freedom FROM religion. In fact the majority of the founding fathers were Deists or Unitarians but rejected the belief in Jesus and the New and Old Testament. My point is that religion and morality are not mutually exclusive. I have met many moral atheists just as I have met many immoral theists. I don't deny that Christianity has brought great happiness to many people and is the foundation of a healthy life, but don't minimize all atheists to terrible people
Jerry: "I might ague that religion (any religion) is a necessary agent of socialization of any society. Could you give an example of a successful and thriving modern atheist society?"
I disagree that it is a necessary agent, but one that will certainly be evident for a long time to come. The reason you haven't seen a thriving atheist society is that people who are atheist don't share a common belief that they need to believe in as a community so much as just a lack of belief. As such we feel no need to congregate in the same way that the religious do. While I feel very distant and disconnected from religion I do still believe that it is one of our nations great rights. I will listen to a person for 15 minutes about why their office chair is their deity, but the moment you try to tell me to believe it, that is when I have a problem. Also, don't confuse an atheist society to Communist states outlawed religion. Anti-theism is far different from atheism and was used only as another method of controlling a states people.
Last edited by Midwest Lib; 04-05-09 at 01:58 PM.