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    Re: Iowa Court says gay marriage ban unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    Well there are people that can't have kids that get involved with marriages. So your point is moot.

    Either Marriage is a contract that means you will produce kids or it is a contract in where the production of kids doesn't matter.

    The fact is marriage is a contract where the production of kids doesn't matter.

    So bringing up that marriage CAN produce kids doesn't make it ANYWAY a matter of legality. Case closed on that. Come up with a better reason.
    This is my point. Ideologically, Wessexman may be right. Pragmatically, he is not. This is back to the old moral vs. legal argument he and I had a while back.
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    Re: Iowa Court says gay marriage ban unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    See Capt'n? Exceptions to the rule are used to further degrade the rule itself.

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    Imo the law alone can not resolve the issue, ever. Using only the law, we either have to issue a marriage under the strictest conditions and alienate adoption and couples who don't know they're infertile, or, we have to allow just anyone to marry just anyone and marriage become non-functional.

    This is why the Constitution was meant for "a religious and moral people". The Constitution is not equipped to deal with a society who does not share a common general understanding of the Natural Law premise.
    And I disagree. I think the Consitution has done just fine dealing with society and handling the natural law premise.
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    Re: Iowa Court says gay marriage ban unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    It seems you are the one that is at a loss. Maybe Iran would better suit your "Morals".
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    Re: Iowa Court says gay marriage ban unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    I might ague that religion (any religion) is a necessary agent of socialization of any society. Could you give an example of a successful and thriving modern atheist society?
    One can have morals without religion. Though I agree that religion is a key agent towards the socialization of a society, a secular society can thrive as well as a non-secular one. I do not believe that there exists an entirely atheist society, and that wasn't my point. My point was about individuals, not societies.
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    Re: Iowa Court says gay marriage ban unconstitutional

    What is wrong with the term civil union?

    I voted to lift the ban on gay marriage in my state, but at the same time I knew it wouldn't pass. Is it that gays want to be invited to the party that is marriage, or is it they want all the same benefits that married couples get such as discounts on insurance and the like?

    All marriage is in a legal standpoint is a civil union.

    Legally Gays should not be banned from marriage, but the legal definition contradicts the traditional definition of marriage.

    What I suggest to gays is embrace the word civil union, then push to have the same rights that married couples have.

    They will have more luck there, and that what I recommend.

    Sure religious conservatives should support gays right to be married, but gays should support the religious conservatives right to have there traditional marriage and not give a crap about there lives.

    That may be a pessimistic way to go about this sort of thing, but that is how it is. Work with what you got is what I recommend.

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    Re: Iowa Court says gay marriage ban unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    You mis-spelled "Legislature".



    You are aware that Pro8 did not, in any way, deny homosexuals any civil right, correct?

    Under Prop8 gays can share each and every single civil right, without any exception at all whatsoever, with a member of the SAME sex, as their hetero counter parts can.
    No, I did not mis-spell.....
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    Re: Iowa Court says gay marriage ban unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    No, see here again you show that don't know what you're talking about.

    Black were ONLY prohibited from marrying whites.

    Blacks could marry Asian, Blacks could marry Spanish, Blacks could marry Native American, etc.

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    You people don't even know wtf you're talking about. All you do is read a headline and fell good about it, but you don't understand. You opinions are not based on fact, but emotion, and therefore do not diserve respect.
    so whites were denied their right to marry other than whites, or just blacks?
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    Re: Iowa Court says gay marriage ban unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by celticlord View Post
    It is an entirely bad thing. Judicial activism is creating law from the bench, not interpreting existing law. Courts are created to interpret the law. Legislatures are created to create the law.

    Legislatures are the expression of the will of the people, not courts.

    There is no social good derived from courts pre-empting legislatures. None whatsoever. Whenever this happens, it is to society's detriment.
    when the legislature determines that celticlord is a 3rd class citizen, and enacts laws to support their stand, it will be the courts that restore his rights as an equal citizen, but nothing can change him being second rate....
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    Re: Iowa Court says gay marriage ban unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    In that case you are wrong. It was EXACTLY meant for those that don't follow a religooin.

    That was the whole point of the consitution, to not FORCE religious on someone.

    Maybe you and others need to research why we have the constitution the way we do.

    If it was for a religious person they would have made it religious. The founding fathers didn't for a reason.

    Just because someone isn't religious doesn't mean they can't contribute to society.

    As for morality, that is subjective. To some having sex for anything other than procreation is immoral.

    So who's definition of morals will you use? That is why morality is not entered into the constitution which is what the founding fathers wanted.
    I agree....
    a moral people doesn't need as many laws, until they start trampling on the rights of those who don't follow the new morals that get created by self-righteous individuals who pass blue laws, for example. Tyranny of the majority is bad enough when the majority ISN'T deeming themselves the moral majority. There is a reason why we don't have the Taliban roaming OUR streets....
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    Re: Iowa Court says gay marriage ban unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by celticlord View Post
    Specific morals may be subjective. The need for morals is absolute. The need for religion is absolute, all the more so because we espouse the freedom to practice any religion.
    A pure and true religion makes it easier for us to be governed, but very few of our religions come even close to being pure and true.
    Witchcraft and satanism are religions, how does that fit into the need for religion being absolute?
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