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    Re: Iowa Court says gay marriage ban unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio View Post
    Except that you are making a false argument. The reason for the IASC ruling had nothing to do with the "government reasons for supporting marriage" if that were the sole basis, marriage would only be granted to couples with intent to procreate, ergo homosexuals would be ineligible based on biology.

    Of course we can go around that with adoptions and turkey baster kids, but that's not the point.

    Two men and a woman wish to be married. They point out that the two men can earn enough to raise their two children the three have, and the woman can stay home and take care of the children better then any two of them could.

    Thus the government need is met. And since the courts have determined two men may marry, for fairness, what basis have you for denying three?

    See how easy that was?
    Marriage is neither a requirement or a necessity to procreate. People are capable of bearing children with or without it.

    Should heterosexual couples who find that they cannot have children be forced to separate because they cannot procreate?

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    Re: Iowa Court says gay marriage ban unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by Alex View Post
    It seems that the main argument against same-sex marriage in this thread is that it will lead to polygamy.
    I dont believe that was an argument -against- same sex marrige, but that polygamy was a natural result of the further application of the argument behind same-sex marriage.

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    Re: Iowa Court says gay marriage ban unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    I dont believe that was an argument -against- same sex marrige, but that polygamy was a natural result of the further application of the argument behind same-sex marriage.
    So why should the government not recognize same-sex marriage and polygamy? Seems like an empty argument to just say something will lead to another without reason for either to not exist.
    Last edited by Alex; 04-03-09 at 04:04 PM.

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    Re: Iowa Court says gay marriage ban unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by Alex View Post
    So why should the government not recognize same-sex marriage and polygamy?
    I dont recall making a statement to either effect on either subject -- I simply made the point that the argument for the former is equally sound for the latter.

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    Re: Iowa Court says gay marriage ban unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by Alex View Post
    So why should the government not recognize same-sex marriage and polygamy? Seems like an empty argument to just say something will lead to another without reason for either to not exist.
    You're chasing the wrong argument. Doesn't matter what we think about gays getting hitched, IA passed it, and soon it will get teh SCOTUS stamp of approval and that's that.

    However, the door to polygamy is the next step. And it's gonna happen. That's just how it is. The same arguments that won the Gay Marriage fight in the courts will win out Polygamy's legalization.
    Climate, changes. It takes a particularly uneducated population to buy into the idea that it's their fault climate is changing and further political solutions can fix it.



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    Re: Iowa Court says gay marriage ban unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    I dont recall making a statement to either effect on either subject -- I simply made the point that the argument for the former is equally sound for the latter.
    Yes, it could, and it should.

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    Re: Iowa Court says gay marriage ban unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio View Post
    You're chasing the wrong argument. Doesn't matter what we think about gays getting hitched, IA passed it, and soon it will get teh SCOTUS stamp of approval and that's that.

    However, the door to polygamy is the next step. And it's gonna happen. That's just how it is. The same arguments that won the Gay Marriage fight in the courts will win out Polygamy's legalization.
    Polygamy should be recognized legally. There is no good reason, as I see it, not to.

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    Re: Iowa Court says gay marriage ban unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by Alex View Post
    Yes, it could, and it should.
    It appears that a significant portion of the pro-gay marriage crowd disagrees with you.

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    Re: Iowa Court says gay marriage ban unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by Alex View Post
    Polygamy should be recognized legally. There is no good reason, as I see it, not to.
    Personally and morally I'm against both, Marriage = 1 man, 1 woman. But if we're gonna play this emotionalism game and allow Gays to marry, Poly's deserve the same equality.
    Climate, changes. It takes a particularly uneducated population to buy into the idea that it's their fault climate is changing and further political solutions can fix it.



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    Re: Iowa Court says gay marriage ban unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    It appears that a significant portion of the pro-gay marriage crowd disagrees with you.
    Yes, I am aware that. I tend to be on the outside of most circles in many respects.

    Its a lonely life.

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