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Obama issues warning as North Korea readies rocket

They're saying it failed again.

"Stage one of the missile fell into the Sea of Japan. The remaining stages along with the payload itself landed in the Pacific Ocean," according to a statement from NORAD and the Northern Command, read by White House press secretary Robert Gibbs. See details of the rocket and its path »

"No object entered orbit and no debris fell on Japan," the statement added. "NORAD and [the Northern Command] assesses the launch vehicle as not a threat to North America or Hawaii and took no action in response to this launch."
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North Korea launches rocket, sparks international criticism - CNN.com
 
Lerxst said:
Your position is that Obama should order it shot down.
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.... if..... what?
What, exactly, did I say?
And how is what -actually- posted ridiculous?
 
Goobieman said:
.... if..... what?
What, exactly, did I say?
And how is what -actually- posted ridiculous?
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You said in response to a question about what other options Obama has besides the one you deemed pathetic...

Goobieman said:
There are numerous other things, not the least of which is the statement that we -will- shoot down any missile that in on a track that endangers any part of the US or our allies. He could also resolve to eliminate NK ability to launch these missiles, should they continue along this track.

Remember that no one, especially you, has any idea what payload these bords carry.
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So maybe you didn't mean "shoot it down", maybe you meant destroy the launch sites...an even worse course of action. Either way it was a ridiculous position to take.
 
Lerxst said:
You said in response to a question about what other options Obama has besides the one you deemed pathetic...
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I said that he shoud make the statement that:

we -will- shoot down any missile that in on a track that endangers any part of the US or our allies
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How is that ridiculous?

I also said that:

He could also resolve to eliminate NK ability to launch these missiles, should they continue along this track
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How is that ridiculous?
 
Goobieman said:
I said that he shoud make the statement that:



How is that ridiculous?

I also said that:



How is that ridiculous?
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Did you not read the rest of the thread? The answer is in that conversation that BulletWound and I had.

Drawing a line in the sand like that and then not following through with the threat announces to the world that the U.S. has no backbone. We would lose face and North Korea would be emboldened as this would verify to them that we are unprepared to actually go to war at this time. Following through on the threat and starting a major war that we are not in a position to support effectively is absolutely ridiculous for very obvious reasons.

The common sense approach to this situation, one that didn't involve preemptive destruction of the launch site or intercepting the rocket after launch (an approach I and others offered up) was executed by President Obama. He did exactly what he should have done. He warned them not to do it, he got other nations to warn North Korea not to do it, and he waited for their compliance...ready to act if it appeared that this launch would threaten the U.S. or our allies. And thank God he did.

Had he thought like you, we would either look like a bunch of limp wristed blowhards or we would be at war with the DPRK.
 
I wonder what Bush would have done.
 
TheNextEra said:
And funny for those salivating for the U.S. or Japan to shoot down the rocket, nothing happened. Imagine that.
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You'd have **** your pants if we had.
 
American said:
I wonder what Bush would have done.
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Pretty much the same thing. Issue a boilerplate condemnation, then basically do nothing. Which seems to be the most prudent course of action for this particular provocation.
 
Lerxst said:
Drawing a line in the sand like that and then not following through with the threat announces to the world that the U.S. has no backbone.
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So... follow through.
I ask again:
Where is the ridiculousness in the suggestions I put forth?

The common sense approach to this situation, one that didn't involve preemptive destruction of the launch site or intercepting the rocket after launch...
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Who suggested a pre-emptive attack on the launch site or an unconditional interception of the missile?

Had he thought like you, we would either look like a bunch of limp wristed blowhards or we would be at war with the DPRK.
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Given your apparent failure to understand my position, its pretty clear you're in no position to make this claim.
 
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Kim Jong-il's response to Obama:
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Oh, I'm just soooo scared!
 
rathi said:
Are you still living in the Cold War? China is justifiably worried about its insane and dangerous neighbor, and Russia has absolutely no reason whatsoever to get involved.
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China is hardly worried about the insanity of their neighbor; a neighbor they hold complete control over. Why do you think China and Russia conveniently prevent the UN from any serious actions/sanctions for this behavior?

North Korea is a convenient tool for China to use to keep the world off guard and hide their inhumane treatment of their own people and dissidents. It is a COMMUNIST country with few freedoms, little in the way of pollution control and allows the exploitation of their people by manufacturers who exploit them for exporting cheap goods and bring in dollars to prop up a regime that would collapse without it.

But as long as there is a rogue North Korea constantly threatening, they can continue on and be viewed as a reasonable nation working WITH the rest of the world.
 
Lerxst said:
Actually China is North Korea's closest ally, largest trading partner, and biggest supplier of weapons, fuel, and food. They have supported the North Korean government since it's birth. That won't change, not because of this. Like a father scolding a reckless son, China will most likely tell others to keep their hands off and chastise Kim Jong-Il over his actions. They are less concerned with Pyongyang's internal politics than they are with the possible results of a military conflict, even if very limited. The refugees will most likely flee towards China if conflict breaks out. China doesn't want that. Nor do they want North Korea launching any kind of ground assault against the South. That kind of conflict is bad for business, and make no mistake...China would not let Pyongyang fall to U.S./ROK forces. China and NK are allies, politically, militarily, and financially.
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This pretty much hits the proverbial nail on the head. Too bad you filled your response with other useless nonsense or I could have thanked you.
 
Lerxst said:
The intent of the OP was not to actually discuss the situation, it was a hollow attempt to simply demean Obama in some fashion. There was little thought put into it, you can tell simply by reading the thread starters first post. This is reinforced by the anemic pile on attempt by his cronies. The post violated Breaking News thread rules from the start.
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You would be wrong; the OP stated the OBVIOUS. Watching Obama issue a denouncement knowing everyone will do NOTHING is naive and a waste of effort.

The OP was just pointing this OBVIOUS point out. As he stated:

Goobieman said:
I'm SURE that North Korea has seen this response, and has decided to immediately de-fuel their bird and pull it off the pad.
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Pretty much sums it all up in my opinion. Obama has made it readily OBVIOUS that any future US involvement will require the worlds unanimous approval for military force and everyone with a brain knows this means we will do NOTHING.
 
TheNextEra said:
This has been asked, but you have yet to answer it. What do you think Obama should have done instead of what he is doing now in regards to the imminent NK Launch?
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I personally think he should just keep his mouth shut. He has already indicated he wants to disarm the US, that he doesn't believe in military force or preemptive force, that he doesn't want to stay in Iraq or Afghanistan and thinks the US is an arrogant nation. So why embarrass yourself with useless rhetoric?

As the OP stated, I am sure his condemnation got a good chuckle in NK.
 
Truth Detector said:
I personally think he should just keep his mouth shut. He has already indicated he wants to disarm the US, that he doesn't believe in military force or preemptive force, that he doesn't want to stay in Iraq or Afghanistan and thinks the US is an arrogant nation. So why embarrass yourself with useless rhetoric?

As the OP stated, I am sure his condemnation got a good chuckle in NK.
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Your typical hyperbole aside, what President would have responded any differently in regards to North Korea missile test?
 
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Gibberish said:
Your typical hyperbole aside, what President would have responded any differently in regards to North Korea missile test?
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JFK... The last great president... The last president who represented the spirit of our nation...

Having said that, I doubt he would have shot it down.
 
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President Bush would have responded in some manner.
Possibly a blockade or maybe making it clear any future such launches will be intercepted.
Thing is those involved would have confidence he meant it and had to be dealt with.



With Obama those involved have confidence he can be ignored.
 
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Gibberish said:
Your typical hyperbole aside, what President would have responded any differently in regards to North Korea missile test?
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Your typical absurdity aside, why do you want to make this some other Presidents issue; the last time I looked, Obama was President. Obama is the one wanting to disarm the US. Obama is the one who claims the previous US policy was arrogant. Obama is the one who thinks that TALK without substance will lead to peaceful solutions with despots, terrorists and dictators. Obama is the one wanting to shut down Gitmo.

Hell, if I were a terrorist, despot or dictator, I too would be cheering him on.

Like I clearly said WITHOUT hyperbole, if your policy is to take NO action, then threatening a despot is going to do nothing more than get a lot of chuckles.

Carry on.
 
Truth Detector said:
Your typical absurdity aside, why do you want to make this some other Presidents issue; the last time I looked, Obama was President. Obama is the one wanting to disarm the US. Obama is the one who claims the previous US policy was arrogant. Obama is the one who thinks that TALK without substance will lead to peaceful solutions with despots, terrorists and dictators. Obama is the one wanting to shut down Gitmo.
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  1. Please show where Obama wants to disarm the US.
  2. Bush's US foreign policy was arrogant.
  3. The entire worlds foregin policy is based on talk without substance. That's what happens when you want countries to act a specific way but your own tool is talking to them because any assault could lead to a Nuclear war.
  4. Gitmo should be shut down.
 
Triad said:
President Bush would have responded in some manner.
Possibly a blockade or maybe making it clear any future such launches will be intercepted.
Thing is those involved would have confidence he meant it and had to be dealt with.

With Obama those involved have confidence he can be ignored.
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Conformity through fear. It's the Republican way.
 
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