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    Re: Obama issues warning as North Korea readies rocket

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    That the rocket is/is not carrying some sort of dangerouns payload.


    He cannot. He CAN know the best intel estimate, but he cannot -know- what's up there. Also, see below.


    If I were the President, I'd be doing this anyway, based on the idea that we do not -know- what is on top of this missile.
    Insofar as we can never know anything for certain, sure. But depending on what intelligence assets we have in place in N.K., it is quite possible to have specific knowledge of what is mounted on that rocket.

    Now, I DO think it is very unlikely that there is a nuclear warhead up there, but that's not really significant -- regardless of the payload, if it heads toward the US, it should be shot down, and it should be considered an event that justifies some degree of retalliation.
    The problem with that is the earth is a sphere and any rocket will be headed to toward the US...

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    Re: Obama issues warning as North Korea readies rocket

    Quote Originally Posted by BulletWounD View Post
    Insofar as we can never know anything for certain, sure. But depending on what intelligence assets we have in place in N.K., it is quite possible to have specific knowledge of what is mounted on that rocket.
    Insofar as anything is possible...

    The problem with that is the earth is a sphere and any rocket will be headed to toward the US...
    Not necessarily so. The course of the payload is set onnce the booster burns out. If the ballistic trajectory of the payload carries it over the US, it can be let go.

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    Re: Obama issues warning as North Korea readies rocket

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    Insofar as anything is possible...


    Not necessarily so. The course of the payload is set onnce the booster burns out. If the ballistic trajectory of the payload carries it over the US, it can be let go.
    That pretty much leaves them with geosynchronous orbits only. Have they provided any details on how they want to orbit this supposed "communications satellite" (obvious, blatant, bull**** lie)?

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    Re: Obama issues warning as North Korea readies rocket

    Quote Originally Posted by BulletWounD View Post
    That pretty much leaves them with geosynchronous orbits only.
    A low-earth orbit will do, in terms of not being fired 'at' the US.. That's probably all they can do at this point anyway.

    Point is, we will know if the missile is going into orbit or if it will fall onto the US very shortly after the booster burns out.

    Have they provided any details on how they want to orbit this supposed "communications satellite" (obvious, blatant, bull**** lie)?
    Not that I know of.

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    Re: Obama issues warning as North Korea readies rocket

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    A low-earth orbit will do, in terms of not being fired 'at' the US.. That's probably all they can do at this point anyway.

    Point is, we will know if the missile is going into orbit or if it will fall onto the US very shortly after the booster burns out.


    Not that I know of.
    Not really. An object in LEO will still fly in the general direction of the United States. As you pointed out in previous posts, a little reverse thrust to deorbit at the right time and BOOM. The EMP of a nuclear weapon detonated just above the atmosphere could destroy the US utterly.

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    Re: Obama issues warning as North Korea readies rocket

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    This is completely unsupprtable.
    Your posting history here related to Obama is here for all to see. Your desires are obvious to all. You've been called out on it. Don't like the way the shoe fits? Don't put it on and start tap dancing.

    Of course, given that you cannot really counter anything that has been said here with anything containing actual substance, you have little choice but to respond in this manner.
    Quite the contrary. I've provided quite a bit of information related to the topic, and "countered" anything I didn't agree with or had an opinion on that differed from a specific poster.

    Now, liar, why don't you go back and address my posts about the actual topic. And next time you post a Breaking News thread, why don't follow the BN rules and actually make an intelligent statement about the topic you are seeking discussion on?
    *insert profound statement here*

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    Re: Obama issues warning as North Korea readies rocket

    Quote Originally Posted by Lerxst View Post
    Your posting history here related to Obama is here for all to see. Your desires are obvious to all. You've been called out on it. Don't like the way the shoe fits? Don't put it on and start tap dancing.
    So..., you admit cannot support what you said and counter what I said.
    Thanks.

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    Re: Obama issues warning as North Korea readies rocket

    Quote Originally Posted by BulletWounD View Post
    Not really. An object in LEO will still fly in the general direction of the United States.
    As you pointed out in previous posts, a little reverse thrust to deorbit at the right time and BOOM.
    Absolutely correct -- but the issue here, I believe, is the actual launch event. What happens after that is another story. I woudl hope that if NK decided to drop its orbiter on the US that everyone eoud agree it needs to be immediaely shot down and taken as the act of war that it is.

    Note that you do not need to actually drop the nuke from orbit for the EMP to affect the US.

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    Re: Obama issues warning as North Korea readies rocket

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    Absolutely correct -- but the issue here, I believe, is the actual launch event. What happens after that is another story. I woudl hope that if NK decided to drop its orbiter on the US that everyone eoud agree it needs to be immediaely shot down and taken as the act of war that it is.

    Note that you do not need to actually drop the nuke from orbit for the EMP to affect the US.
    Well, it would be a violation of the Outer Space Treaty, which NK hastily signed to have in place before the launch. Not only would it be an act of war, it would be a betrayal of the United Nations. NATO would immediately declare war and the US would immediately nuke North Korea. What happens after that we can only speculate.... Would China and Russia recognize the inability of the US to carry out a protracted war after an EMP event and help the North Koreans? If so, apocalypse follows soon after.

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    Re: Obama issues warning as North Korea readies rocket

    Quote Originally Posted by BulletWounD View Post
    Well, it would be a violation of the Outer Space Treaty, which NK hastily signed to have in place before the launch.
    Just a guess, but if NK wants to EMP the US, they arent too worried about any treaties or any reprisal.

    My point was they do not need to 'drop' an orbiting nuke.

    Kinda makes shooting down their 'satellite' launches look a little better, eh?

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