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    The Myth of 90 Percent: Only a Small Fraction of Guns in Mexico Come From U.S.

    The Myth of 90 Percent: Only a Small Fraction of Guns in Mexico Come From U.S.

    What's true, an ATF spokeswoman told FOXNews.com, in a clarification of the statistic used by her own agency's assistant director, "is that over 90 percent of the traced firearms originate from the U.S."

    But a large percentage of the guns recovered in Mexico do not get sent back to the U.S. for tracing, because it is obvious from their markings that they do not come from the U.S.

    "Not every weapon seized in Mexico has a serial number on it that would make it traceable, and the U.S. effort to trace weapons really only extends to weapons that have been in the U.S. market," Matt Allen, special agent of U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE), told FOX News.

    In 2007-2008, according to ATF Special Agent William Newell, Mexico submitted 11,000 guns to the ATF for tracing. Close to 6,000 were successfully traced -- and of those, 90 percent -- 5,114 to be exact, according to testimony in Congress by William Hoover -- were found to have come from the U.S.

    But in those same two years, according to the Mexican government, 29,000 guns were recovered at crime scenes.

    In other words, 68 percent of the guns that were recovered were never submitted for tracing. And when you weed out the roughly 6,000 guns that could not be traced from the remaining 32 percent, it means 83 percent of the guns found at crime scenes in Mexico could not be traced to the U.S.
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    Now...why do you suppose the Clinton State Department misrepresented that 90% figure?

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    Re: The Myth of 90 Percent: Only a Small Fraction of Guns in Mexico Come From U.S.

    Now if our government would enforce our border and immigration laws, we could reduce the number even further.

    That would be smart policy, instead of penalizing our citizens by trying to violate the 2nd amendment and banning guns.
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    Re: The Myth of 90 Percent: Only a Small Fraction of Guns in Mexico Come From U.S.

    Quote Originally Posted by GottaHurt View Post
    Now if our government would enforce our border and immigration laws, we could reduce the number even further.

    That would be smart policy, instead of penalizing our citizens by trying to violate the 2nd amendment and banning guns.
    If only liberals read the 2nd amendment like they do the amendment that protects the right to an abortion...

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    Re: The Myth of 90 Percent: Only a Small Fraction of Guns in Mexico Come From U.S.

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
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    The Myth of 90 Percent: Only a Small Fraction of Guns in Mexico Come From U.S.

    EXCLUSIVE: You've heard this shocking "fact" before -- on TV and radio, in newspapers, on the Internet and from the highest politicians in the land: 90 percent of the weapons used to commit crimes in Mexico come from the United States.

    -- Secretary of State Hillary Clinton said it to reporters on a flight to Mexico City.

    -- CBS newsman Bob Schieffer referred to it while interviewing President Obama.

    -- California Sen. Dianne Feinstein said at a Senate hearing: "It is unacceptable to have 90 percent of the guns that are picked up in Mexico and used to shoot judges, police officers and mayors ... come from the United States."

    -- William Hoover, assistant director for field operations at the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives, testified in the House of Representatives that "there is more than enough evidence to indicate that over 90 percent of the firearms that have either been recovered in, or interdicted in transport to Mexico, originated from various sources within the United States."

    There's just one problem with the 90 percent "statistic" and it's a big one:

    It's just not true.

    In fact, it's not even close. The fact is, only 17 percent of guns found at Mexican crime scenes have been traced to the U.S.
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    DOH!

    Obama lied, people died.
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    Re: The Myth of 90 Percent: Only a Small Fraction of Guns in Mexico Come From U.S.

    Sir, you fail.
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    Re: The Myth of 90 Percent: Only a Small Fraction of Guns in Mexico Come From U.S.

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    Re: The Myth of 90 Percent: Only a Small Fraction of Guns in Mexico Come From U.S.

    Quote Originally Posted by stevenb View Post
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    Re: The Myth of 90 Percent: Only a Small Fraction of Guns in Mexico Come From U.S.

    Quote Originally Posted by FOX News
    The fact is, only 17 percent of guns found at Mexican crime scenes have been traced to the U.S.
    Fun with statistics. The 90% is obviously inflated. And common sense tells us that 17% is most likely the minimum number. The truth, as always, lies somewhere in between.

    But it is interesting how numbers like this get tossed about in the public with little or no scrutiny.


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    Re: The Myth of 90 Percent: Only a Small Fraction of Guns in Mexico Come From U.S.

    Quote Originally Posted by Grateful Heart View Post
    But it is interesting how numbers like this get tossed about in the public with little or no scrutiny.
    That was large part of the previous thread on the same subject -- the press gobbled up the number and didn't do a thing to check it out.

    And to think that some people took exception to the criticism of the press on that point.

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