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    Re: The Myth of 90 Percent: Only a Small Fraction of Guns in Mexico Come From U.S.

    Quote Originally Posted by BulletWounD View Post
    Because the standard of objective journalism has been thrown in the trash in favor of sensational headlines due to the infantile nature of the general public.
    LOL I can buy that argument.

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    Re: The Myth of 90 Percent: Only a Small Fraction of Guns in Mexico Come From U.S.

    Quote Originally Posted by Grateful Heart View Post
    You'd think these type of detailed (and relevant) questions would be not only essential, but quite fascinating to any decent news reporter assigned to this story. It appears not.

    I don't know what they teach in journalism schools these days. I really don't. Many can't even determine when to use 'then' or 'than' or 'who,' 'whom' or 'that'.

    Here is your answer to the bolded section... I've bolded key parts fr easy reference.
    I trust the source, and he's being questioned by one of the best in the business.
    Q & A
    LAMB: How would you define journalism?

    AILES: Journalism is a collection of stories, editing them and presenting them to the people in some fair manner with as many facts as you can muster to get it through to people. Itís a pretty simple craft. Itís not brain surgery. Itís simple but itís not easy. And to do it right is hard work.

    LAMB: What do they teach in journalism school?

    AILES: Well, I think they get too political from time to time. I think they draw conclusions for students, at least many of the ones that Iíve talked to. They donít necessarily teach them the simple things of gather all the facts, present all the facts. I think in many cases they have agendas.

    I was asked by a university to give them some money, and I said -- I went to the university and I taught a couple of classes and I interviewed a bunch of students and I said, Iím not going to give you any money until you can graduate somebody who likes America. Itís not a bad country, you know. And I said, As soon as you get me someone like that, Iíll give you some money.

    Based on what theyíre learning, youíd think we live somewhere else.

    LAMB: What evidence did you have at that school that the teachers did not like America?

    AILES: Everything is negative. Everything is about -- look, 95 percent of our people are working, the other 5 percent are basically pretty well taken care of by the government. Health care is not bad here. Bill Clinton did all right under it. Most people who want surgery donít go to Canada, they try to come here. This is a country where everybody is trying to get in and nobody is trying get out.

    So it just occurs to me that some of that ought to be taught in context. Not that we donít have problems, not that we donít have deep problems in our cities, poverty and some other things, but this is the society that has cured and will continue to cure many of those problems. And I think that the context of all that has to be taught. And I donít see it being taught very often.

    LAMB: If you were to start your own journalism school, how would you teach it?

    AILES: I would just teach to do the facts, be fair, make sure that youíve got the same weigh if there is more than one point of view to every point of view. I always tell our journalists, reach out to a point of view you donít agree with and make sure itís in that story.

    Itís simple stuff, but you have to do it. And I see the other networks -- I saw David Westin the other day take a shot at Fox News. Now David is the process of trying to turn himself into Fred Friendly, heís a corporate lawyer whoís trying to be a great journalist. But he has got some problems.

    Heís the guy who wanted Leonardo DiCaprio to be a journalist for him. Heís the guy who had his head of politics during the election basically come out and say they didn't have to be fair, they should support Kerry in the debates. I find that odd. I think David's got a lot of work to do in house before he goes out taking a shot at us.

    LAMB: Is there anything wrong with a news organization taking or having a point of view?

    AILES: Well, I think there's a difference between news and analysis/opinion. What I saw them do -- they recently did a news meeting up at Stanford, which -- you know, heads of news at Stanford is sort of redundant. But in any case, no. If -- as long as you label it as -- you know, you know this is an opinion show.

    What they're trying to do is say that Fox News is mixing opinion and fact. That's just simply not true. I mean, if you watch Shep Smith's show at 7:00, I have no idea what Shep thinks politically. I don't see any particular agenda. Bias can be a lot of different ways -- story selection, story placement, story emphasis. There's a lot of ways you can create subtle bias. But the networks for years have mixed these things, and now they're claiming we mix it, when, in fact, Bill O'Reilly is a news analysis show, or Greta or somebody else, and the hard news we do is not in question. We haven't retracted a story in eight years.

    LAMB: Do you worry, now that you're on top?

    AILES: Oh, sure. Look, I get up every day, you know, playing it like we're 20 miles behind. I'll never change. That's just my background. I grew up in Ohio. I dug ditches for a living. I wanted to get out of there. I always thought, you know, the only way to do it is hard work, and you got to be better and smarter than the next guy. There's no other magic to it. And when -- you know, we have probably a third of the personnel that CNN has. We've always had that, from day one.


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    Re: The Myth of 90 Percent: Only a Small Fraction of Guns in Mexico Come From U.S.

    Quote Originally Posted by aps View Post
    Oh really? So why didn't the media check the figures and attack this article from the conservative Washington Times?

    U.S.-Mexico border violence persists - Washington Times
    Here are the false assertions:

    You've heard this shocking "fact" before -- on TV and radio, in newspapers, on the Internet and from the highest politicians in the land: 90 percent of the weapons used to commit crimes in Mexico come from the United States.

    -- Secretary of State Hillary Clinton said it to reporters on a flight to Mexico City.

    -- CBS newsman Bob Schieffer referred to it while interviewing President Obama.

    -- California Sen. Dianne Feinstein said at a Senate hearing: "It is unacceptable to have 90 percent of the guns that are picked up in Mexico and used to shoot judges, police officers and mayors ... come from the United States."

    -- William Hoover, assistant director for field operations at the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives, testified in the House of Representatives that "there is more than enough evidence to indicate that over 90 percent of the firearms that have either been recovered in, or interdicted in transport to Mexico, originated from various sources within the United States."

    Here is the story from the Washington Times which appears to be consistent with the findings from Fox:

    U.S.-Mexico border violence persists

    In 2008, about 8,000 guns were traced back to their source, up from about 1,000 previously, Mr. Sullivan said.

    "I think you see the spillover principally on the border itself, on both sides of the border, with the escalation of violence," he said. "This is not limited to the country of Mexico, but even if it were, even if all the violence was in the country of Mexico, I still think we have an obligation and duty to do what we can to protect the people in Mexico.

    "We're asking them to address drugs moving either through or from Mexico. I think it's perfectly reasonable for them to say 'be equally committed to stopping the flow of guns,' " Mr. Sullivan estimates that 90 percent to 95 percent of those guns are smuggled into Mexico from the U.S.

    That puts the number at about 7,400. What was your point again?

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