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    New Afghan Law Limits Womens' Rights

    Harper 'deeply troubled' by Afghan move to limit women's rights

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    Prime Minister Stephen Harper said Wednesday that Canada remains committed to its mission in Afghanistan, but he voiced strong concerns about new Afghan legislation that would limit women's rights in that country.

    "This is antithetical to our mission in Afghanistan," Harper said in an interview with CBC News.

    The new Afghan family law would reportedly make it illegal for women to refuse their husbands sex, leave the house without their permission or have custody of children.
    While I support every nation's sovereignty and their ability to form their own customs, part of the reason why we are fighting for Afghanistan is not just the Taliban but also to bring democracy and civil liberties to the region. Why is the installed government taking social steps backwards? Is this simply to appease the religious right?

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    Re: New Afghan Law Limits Womens' Rights

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    Harper 'deeply troubled' by Afghan move to limit women's rights



    While I support every nation's sovereignty and their ability to form their own customs, part of the reason why we are fighting for Afghanistan is not just the Taliban but also to bring democracy and civil liberties to the region. Why is the installed government taking social steps backwards? Is this simply to appease the religious right?
    Hopefully it will either fail or be struck down as unconstitutional.

    Article Twenty-two
    Ch. 2, Art. 1

    Any kind of discrimination and privilege between the citizens of Afghanistan are prohibited.

    The citizens of Afghanistan whether man or woman have equal rights and duties before the law
    I forgot what we're dealing with here.



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    Re: New Afghan Law Limits Womens' Rights

    Quote Originally Posted by Orius View Post
    Harper 'deeply troubled' by Afghan move to limit women's rights



    While I support every nation's sovereignty and their ability to form their own customs, part of the reason why we are fighting for Afghanistan is not just the Taliban but also to bring democracy and civil liberties to the region. Why is the installed government taking social steps backwards? Is this simply to appease the religious right?
    According to the article the legislation was aimed at influencing a segment of shia swing voters in their upcoming election.
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    Re: New Afghan Law Limits Womens' Rights

    We may overthrow a Government/regime but we cannot force western ideals onto them like womens rights. Only they can do that.

    If people wish to limit their freedoms, do we allow them?
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    Re: New Afghan Law Limits Womens' Rights

    Now I'm far from a silly universalist who thinks every gov't should be basically the same with the same organisation, laws and rights but I'm no relativist either and I don't find this move welcoming, particularly with British troops serving the region.
    "It is written in the eternal constitution that men of intemperate minds cannot be free. Their passions forge their fetters." - Edmund Burke

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    Re: New Afghan Law Limits Womens' Rights

    Quote Originally Posted by Laila View Post
    We may overthrow a Government/regime but we cannot force western ideals onto them like womens rights. Only they can do that.

    If people wish to limit their freedoms, do we allow them?
    We don't in our country. There are millions of people in the US that are only being held back by the Constitution, and just barely so. The Afghan government enacted the Constitution, thus limiting their power perpetually (or until they can get activist judges to interpret the thing into meaninglessness).

    Yeah, I'm a big fan of Constitutions. They prevent a tyranny of the majority. In this case, if husbands want to limit their wives like this than the wife can follow the rules if she so chooses. Just because there are cultural restrictions doesn't mean they have to enshrined in law.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BulletWounD View Post

    Yeah, I'm a big fan of Constitutions. They prevent a tyranny of the majority. In this case, if husbands want to limit their wives like this than the wife can follow the rules if she so chooses. Just because there are cultural restrictions doesn't mean they have to enshrined in law.
    I wish we did have a codified consitution, i say we just steal US's one. So much better than ours.

    Seriously? :P
    Culture overrides consitutional restrictions, what kind of stupid politican in Afghanistan or Iraq would go against cultural beliefs that is held in the majority just so they can appease the minority of pro wests?

    Did you read what happened a while back?
    A Afghan converted out of Islam to Christianity, it was taken to court if i remember correctly and the President to ensure he wasn't torn apart and killed by the country declared the convert crazy and mentally ill thus avoiding a crisis seeing the 'consitution' enshrines freedom of religion but the countries culture does not. Oh and people wanted the convert to be beheaded


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    Quote Originally Posted by Laila View Post
    I wish we did have a codified consitution, i say we just steal US's one. So much better than ours.
    Excuse me. We have an ancient constitution that has served us well for centuries. Maybe if liberals started actually defending it rather than running it down and undermining it. We don't need the US constitution, a constitution that is made for all nations is made for none as De Maistre once said.

    Seriously? You kidding me? LOL
    Culture overrides consitutional restrictions, what kind of stupid politican in Afghanistan or Iraq would go against cultural beliefs that is held in the majority just so they can appease the minority of pro wests?
    Here you are correct, any constitution should be built on local traditions and institutions.
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    Re: New Afghan Law Limits Womens' Rights

    [QUOTE=Laila;1057978428]I wish we did have a codified consitution, i say we just steal US's one. So much better than ours.

    Seriously? :P
    Culture overrides consitutional restrictions, what kind of stupid politican in Afghanistan or Iraq would go against cultural beliefs that is held in the majority just so they can appease the minority of pro wests?
    It's not to "appease the minority of the pro west." It's to protect the rights of women who don't want the government to dictate what they can and can't do. I care infinitely more about their rights than the "right" of the tyrant to dictate.

    Did you read what happened a while back?
    A Afghan converted out of Islam to Christianity, it was taken to court if i remember correctly and the President to ensure he wasn't torn apart and killed by the country declared the convert crazy and mentally ill thus avoiding a crisis seeing the 'consitution' enshrines freedom of religion but the countries culture does not. Oh and people wanted the convert to be beheaded
    The problem isn't Islam, it's Islamism and the radical interpretation of Islam the Taliban has enforced for decades.

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    Re: New Afghan Law Limits Womens' Rights

    Quote Originally Posted by Wessexman View Post
    We don't need the US constitution, a constitution that is made for all nations is made for none as De Maistre once said.
    I disagree, a US consitution is exactly what we should be aiming for. It is a joke that we have little to protect us from our government except the HRA and a few traditions. The constitution is little to worthless seeing it can be changed through a simple act of Parliament.
    I want a bill of rights enshrined and i want limitations on the executive.
    The Americans have no idea how lucky they are to have such a consitution whereas we do nothing when the Govt. spies on us


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