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    Re: AP sources: Browns' Stallworth will be charged with DUI manslaughter

    Quote Originally Posted by WI Crippler View Post
    I am in agreement with Tucker.

    It is worse to accidentally kill a person, while engaging in a dangerous activity, than its is to kill dogs on purpose.
    Why does there have to be a hierarchy of what is the worse offense?

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    Re: AP sources: Browns' Stallworth will be charged with DUI manslaughter

    Quote Originally Posted by Middleground View Post
    Jeepers, are you the new PETA spokesperson?
    Actually, I'm the spokesman for their opposite: PEKA... People for the Entertaining Killing of Animals.

    While mice can be pets, people also feed them live to their pet snakes. Also, wild ones can be a nuissance. Not sure where the laws draw the line, but you can expect more sympathy for dogs and cats.
    Thank you. Basically you are saying that there are levels of animals. Some we like, some we don't. Some we give a **** about, others are hamburgers and chops.

    The issue here, IMO, is that the levels at which we place these various animals, should always, invariably, have Humans at the apex and a whole ****load of distance between those humans and the next highest animal/s.

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    Re: AP sources: Browns' Stallworth will be charged with DUI manslaughter

    Quote Originally Posted by Middleground View Post
    Why does there have to be a hierarchy of what is the worse offense?
    For the very same reasons there is a hierarchy that separates dogs and mice. One is more deserving of us caring.

    Humans are ALWAYS more deserving than any and all animals.

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    Re: AP sources: Browns' Stallworth will be charged with DUI manslaughter

    Quote Originally Posted by Middleground View Post
    Why does there have to be a hierarchy of what is the worse offense?
    Because we should value our species over all others.
    "Loyalty only matters when there's a hundred reasons not to be-" Gen. Mattis

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    Re: AP sources: Browns' Stallworth will be charged with DUI manslaughter

    Quote Originally Posted by Tucker Case View Post
    For the very same reasons there is a hierarchy that separates dogs and mice. One is more deserving of us caring.

    Humans are ALWAYS more deserving than any and all animals.
    Humans get killed often enough by other people in an accidental fashion:
    1) Man is cleaning his gun and accidentally shoots and kills his kid.
    2) A soldier accidentally shoots one of his in friendly fire.
    3) Father forgets his kid in his car, and he/she dies from heat.
    4) Person get drunk out of his gourd and mows down a pedestrian.

    On a hierarchy scale of murder, are the above "better" than what Ted Bundy did? I'm sure you'll agree. But in all cases, innocent people died.

    Yeah, you're right... mice are lower on the totem pole than dogs. If Vick was running a mice fighting ring, probably only PETA would care.

    But dogs are up there.

    Add the fact that it was intentional, and that Vick was famous, and you have a top headline news report.

    I have little doubt that this story will generate enough news, just like the Ray Lewis story did.

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    Re: AP sources: Browns' Stallworth will be charged with DUI manslaughter

    Quote Originally Posted by WI Crippler View Post
    Because we should value our species over all others.
    I don't disagree, but I think more along the lines of treating every being with the dignity that they deserve.

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    Re: AP sources: Browns' Stallworth will be charged with DUI manslaughter

    Quote Originally Posted by Middleground View Post
    I don't disagree, but I think more along the lines of treating every being with the dignity that they deserve.
    The rest of nature doesn't think that way, why should we?
    "Loyalty only matters when there's a hundred reasons not to be-" Gen. Mattis

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    Re: AP sources: Browns' Stallworth will be charged with DUI manslaughter

    Quote Originally Posted by WI Crippler View Post
    The rest of nature doesn't think that way, why should we?
    Not exactly sure what you're referring to.

    If it's along the lines of an antelope being ravaged by a pack of lions, I'd say the death was fast. Don't they suffocate their prey first? And nothing, I mean nothing, goes to waste. Wild animals don't kill for fun and kicks as far as I know.

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    Re: AP sources: Browns' Stallworth will be charged with DUI manslaughter

    Quote Originally Posted by Middleground View Post
    Not exactly sure what you're referring to.

    If it's along the lines of an antelope being ravaged by a pack of lions, I'd say the death was fast. Don't they suffocate their prey first? And nothing, I mean nothing, goes to waste. Wild animals don't kill for fun and kicks as far as I know.
    Dolphins have been known to. Plus a pack of lions will stalk and kill prey much larger than them, that basically requires they bleed the animal to death as well. Not all kills are so merciful.

    I'm just saying, nature is cruel and if our ancestors would have been dumb enough to play the dignity game, we'd be some other creatures meals rather than vice versa. You think a tiger in the wild gives a crap about our dignity?
    "Loyalty only matters when there's a hundred reasons not to be-" Gen. Mattis

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    Re: AP sources: Browns' Stallworth will be charged with DUI manslaughter

    Quote Originally Posted by Tucker Case View Post
    What the **** are you on about? When did I ever say he should be charged with premeditated murder?

    I say he willingly committed a crime. And he did. He drove drunk. Did everyone forget that DUI is a ****ing crime?

    While he was in the ACT of committing that WILLFUL crime, he killed someone. Is it your contention that he did not willfully drive drunk?

    That would be the ridiculous comment, not mine.
    Alright, my bad. I misinterpreted what you were saying. When you were saying it was an intentional, conscientious choice I thought you were arguing for premeditation and intent to kill or harm; the defining characteristics of murder. I think people can definitely make the conscientious to drink and drive, but I don't think that translates into murder or wishing to harm people and I don't think in cases of DUI people should be brought up on anything more than negligent homicide.

    But I think maybe we just said the same things there, so it's all good. Sorry about that.


    On a side note (this is not related to any one post or poster), PETA is a scam and should be put down.
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