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    Re: AP sources: Browns' Stallworth will be charged with DUI manslaughter

    Quote Originally Posted by Tucker Case View Post
    At .126, it's a thought out criminal activity. If his BAC were higher or lower, I'd buy that it was just a mistake as the impairment would be greater enough or low enough to make the wrong decision by "mistake", but .126 is right at the level where a person is impaired enough to know not to drive, but not so impaired that they are completely beyond making a conscious decision.
    Absolutely not. This is ridiculous. It's like charging road rage-ers with 1st degree murder. Absolutely not, miscarriage of justice if it happens. There is no premeditated murder, there is not intent to kill or even harm. Killing someone while drunk driving is manslaughter and absolutely no form of murder. Ok, maybe not absolutely. Maybe someone wanted to kill someone, and got drunk then mowed them down in a car. Then you could have murder. But under almost all DUI circumstances, it's manslaughter at most.
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    Re: AP sources: Browns' Stallworth will be charged with DUI manslaughter

    Quote Originally Posted by Gibberish View Post
    So your taking the stance that he pre-meditated the murder by knowingly drinking and driving?
    No. I'm saying the criminal activity (driving drunk) that led to the manslaughter was pre-meditated. It's not a stupid mistake, or "just an accident". It's engaging in a criminal activity that led to the death of others. He's being charged appropriately for his crime.

    Your conclusion on impairment is pure speculation. You have no idea what his impairment level was. The fact is after a single drink your decisions and reflexes go down hill and continue to drop the more your drink.
    He was aware enough to be helpful on the scene. I'm not speculating at all.

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    Re: AP sources: Browns' Stallworth will be charged with DUI manslaughter

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Absolutely not. This is ridiculous. It's like charging road rage-ers with 1st degree murder. Absolutely not, miscarriage of justice if it happens. There is no premeditated murder, there is not intent to kill or even harm. Killing someone while drunk driving is manslaughter and absolutely no form of murder. Ok, maybe not absolutely. Maybe someone wanted to kill someone, and got drunk then mowed them down in a car. Then you could have murder. But under almost all DUI circumstances, it's manslaughter at most.
    What the **** are you on about? When did I ever say he should be charged with premeditated murder?

    I say he willingly committed a crime. And he did. He drove drunk. Did everyone forget that DUI is a ****ing crime?

    While he was in the ACT of committing that WILLFUL crime, he killed someone. Is it your contention that he did not willfully drive drunk?

    That would be the ridiculous comment, not mine.

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    Re: AP sources: Browns' Stallworth will be charged with DUI manslaughter

    Quote Originally Posted by Tucker Case View Post
    No. I'm saying the criminal activity (driving drunk) that led to the manslaughter was pre-meditated. It's not a stupid mistake, or "just an accident". It's engaging in a criminal activity that led to the death of others. He's being charged appropriately for his crime.
    I'm not arguing against that. He broke the law and someone died because of it. He should be charged fully.

    Actually I don't know what we are arguing about any more? lol
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    Re: AP sources: Browns' Stallworth will be charged with DUI manslaughter

    Quote Originally Posted by Gibberish View Post
    I'm not arguing against that. He broke the law and someone died because of it. He should be charged fully.

    Actually I don't know what we are arguing about any more? lol
    I've been arguing that what Stalworth did is much, much worse than what Vick did, but there is no concerted uproar and calls for his head as there were for Vick.

    I find that tremendously distrubing.

    Edit: And you had said "The other is just a stupid mistake" A DUI killing is not "just a stupid mistake". It's a thought-out criminal mistake.
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    Re: AP sources: Browns' Stallworth will be charged with DUI manslaughter

    Quote Originally Posted by Tucker Case View Post
    I've been arguing that what Stalworth did is much, much worse than what Vick did, but there is no concerted uproar and calls for his head as there were for Vick.

    I find that tremendously distrubing.

    Edit: And you had said "The other is just a stupid mistake" A DUI killing is not "just a stupid mistake". It's a criminal mistake.
    There's plenty of cases of animal abuse that gets nary a headline. Even dog abuses. I think Zyphlin hit it on the head with a couple of his points, mainly that Vick is more famous, and that what he did to those dogs was done in a sober and deliberate manner.

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    Re: AP sources: Browns' Stallworth will be charged with DUI manslaughter

    Quote Originally Posted by Middleground View Post
    There's plenty of cases of animal abuse that gets nary a headline. Even dog abuses. I think Zyphlin hit it on the head with a couple of his points, mainly that Vick is more famous, and that what he did to those dogs was done in a sober and deliberate manner.
    So? What people do to mice is done in a sober and deliberate manner, and just as bad. Why is it a crime with dogs and nothing with mice?

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    Re: AP sources: Browns' Stallworth will be charged with DUI manslaughter

    I am in agreement with Tucker.

    It is worse to accidentally kill a person, while engaging in a dangerous activity, than its is to kill dogs on purpose.
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    Re: AP sources: Browns' Stallworth will be charged with DUI manslaughter

    Quote Originally Posted by WI Crippler View Post
    I am in agreement with Tucker.

    It is worse to accidentally kill a person, while engaging in a dangerous activity, than its is to kill dogs on purpose.
    Thank you.

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    Re: AP sources: Browns' Stallworth will be charged with DUI manslaughter

    Quote Originally Posted by Tucker Case View Post
    So? What people do to mice is done in a sober and deliberate manner, and just as bad. Why is it a crime with dogs and nothing with mice?
    Jeepers, are you the new PETA spokesperson?

    While mice can be pets, people also feed them live to their pet snakes. Also, wild ones can be a nuissance. Not sure where the laws draw the line, but you can expect more sympathy for dogs and cats.

    On a personal level, I would never trap a mouse. I feel enough guilt squishing a spider.

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