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    Re: AP sources: Browns' Stallworth will be charged with DUI manslaughter

    Quote Originally Posted by Tucker Case View Post
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    I'm wondering if this will get the same amount of uproar that Mike Vick killing dogs did?
    I would say no, probably not. And too bad Stallworth isn't a Kennedy, you get to do these things and get away with it then.
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    Re: AP sources: Browns' Stallworth will be charged with DUI manslaughter

    Quote Originally Posted by Tucker Case View Post
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    I'm wondering if this will get the same amount of uproar that Mike Vick killing dogs did?
    Why would it? No, he shouldn't have been driving drunk but, the incident itself was an accident. Michael Vick's dogfighting operation was deliberate.

    Driving drunk is a moronic thing to do, and he should pay dearly for the life he took, but a DUI does not earn nearly the moral opprobrium of a dogfighting operation.

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    Re: AP sources: Browns' Stallworth will be charged with DUI manslaughter

    Quote Originally Posted by Tucker Case View Post
    That's sad to me. It's just like Leonard Little killing a woman in a DUI accident and then a few years later getting another DUI, but there was nothing. But god forbid someone kills a dog.

    This is exactly why this country is falling apart. People care more about animals than they do people.
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    He sums up the comparison you made quite nicely here:

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    Re: AP sources: Browns' Stallworth will be charged with DUI manslaughter

    Quote Originally Posted by celticlord View Post
    Driving drunk is a moronic thing to do, and he should pay dearly for the life he took, but a DUI does not earn nearly the moral opprobrium of a dogfighting operation.
    What type of punishment do you think he deserves? I'm curious to see people's opinions here.

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    Re: AP sources: Browns' Stallworth will be charged with DUI manslaughter

    Quote Originally Posted by Middleground View Post
    What type of punishment do you think he deserves? I'm curious to see people's opinions here.
    Personally, I'd say he should provide for the guy's family....the money won't replace the man, but having him shoulder some of the man's responsibilities is definitely moving in the direction of justice.

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    Re: AP sources: Browns' Stallworth will be charged with DUI manslaughter

    Quote Originally Posted by celticlord View Post
    Personally, I'd say he should provide for the guy's family....the money won't replace the man, but having him shoulder some of the man's responsibilities is definitely moving in the direction of justice.
    Stallworth got a $4.75 million dollar roster bonus a couple of days before he mowed Reyes down.

    You can bet that the family has representation already in place.

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    Re: AP sources: Browns' Stallworth will be charged with DUI manslaughter

    Here's the thing, Mike Vick could've intentionally killed a million dogs. He could've butt-raped an Emu, or caused the extinction of the Polar Bear for all I care and it wouldn't be nearly as bad as what happened here.

    They are ANIMALS. Intentionally killing them is, well, it's basically HUNTING. the only reason we treat Vick like a criminal in this case is because we have an irrational love for dogs.

    Should we ban mousetraps, or even better, prosecute people for setting them? Well it is the premeditated TORTURE of another creature, isn't it? Why is it OK to snap the spine of a mouse, but not drown a dog?

    I say what Mike Vick did was nothing by comparison. He could come out of jail and start doing it all again, and I think that THEN he would deserve to get the punishment that he originally received. Then the uproar that ocured from the first incident would actually be warranted.

    But if Dante Stalworth ever gets another DUI after this, as Leonard Little did after HIS fatal DUI accident (Noticed that little tidbit of info was missing from that Lawyers post, Gotta Hurt) I think he should never walk free again.


    My issue is that there is almost nothing about this.

    While Dante Stallworth is not as big of a name as Vick is, that should really be irrelevant.

    Because Mario Reyes is a much bigger name that Fido or Spot.

    That's the real issue. Vick engaged in what really amounts to an almost victimless crime.

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    Re: AP sources: Browns' Stallworth will be charged with DUI manslaughter

    Quote Originally Posted by Gibberish View Post
    No, I am saying someone consciously breaking the law through months or years of funding an illegal fighting rings is criminally worse than someone who drunkenly kills another human being in a car accident.

    One is a decided and thought out criminal activity, the other is a stupid mistake.
    At .126, it's a thought out criminal activity. If his BAC were higher or lower, I'd buy that it was just a mistake as the impairment would be greater enough or low enough to make the wrong decision by "mistake", but .126 is right at the level where a person is impaired enough to know not to drive, but not so impaired that they are completely beyond making a conscious decision.

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    Re: AP sources: Browns' Stallworth will be charged with DUI manslaughter

    Quote Originally Posted by Tucker Case View Post
    At .126, it's a thought out criminal activity. If his BAC were higher or lower, I'd buy that it was just a mistake as the impairment would be greater enough or low enough to make the wrong decision by "mistake", but .126 is right at the level where a person is impaired enough to know not to drive, but not so impaired that they are completely beyond making a conscious decision.
    So your taking the stance that he pre-meditated the murder by knowingly drinking and driving?

    Your conclusion on impairment is pure speculation. You have no idea what his impairment level was. The fact is after a single drink your decisions and reflexes go down hill and continue to drop the more your drink.
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    Re: AP sources: Browns' Stallworth will be charged with DUI manslaughter

    Quote Originally Posted by Middleground View Post
    What type of punishment do you think he deserves? I'm curious to see people's opinions here.
    Stallworth?

    He's being charged appropriately IMO.
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