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nvm, ignore this.
No, not at all, I would let any woman or man who meets the requirements enter our military which is the way it currently is...........
Can we get back on topic..........thanks.........
The topic, or premise of the thread, as I understand it, is that gays are unsuitable for U.S. military service because Europeans discriminate against them.
Doesn't it follow that other groups who Europeans discriminate against are also unsuitable for U.S. military service?
Or would you agree that discrimination in Europe has little or no bearing on the qualifications of any individual for service in the U.S. military?
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The thing I find hilarious about the subject is our left wing friends always bring up the fact that gay serve openly in some branches of the service in Europe.......Well judging by this article that does not seem to be the case does it.............
You do have to remember that EUroplot thinks not bowing to "oppressed minorities" in the street is harassment or worse.The left keep preaching that gays serving openly in the military is working fine.......Looks like this article tells a different story................
Nation & World | Gays, lesbians face wide harassment in Europe | Seattle Times Newspaper
Originally published March 31, 2009 at 2:11 AM | Page modified March 31, 2009 at 3:23 PM
BRUSSELS —
Lesbians, gays, bisexuals and transsexuals face widespread harassment, bullying and discrimination across Europe, according to an EU report released Tuesday.
That harassment and discrimination occurs "in all areas of social life," from schools to the workplace to health care centers, the report by the EU's Fundamental Rights Agency said.
Agency Director Morten Kjaerum said the investigation found gays and lesbians continue to face assault and other physical attacks due to their sexual orientation despite EU rules meant to guarantee equality in the 27-nation bloc.
"These are alarming signals in an EU that prides itself on its principles of equal treatment and nondiscrimination," he told reporters at the European Parliament.
The report said gay pride events were being obstructed in Bulgaria, Estonia, Latvia, Poland and Romania. Meanwhile, politicians and religious leaders in Italy, Hungary, Malta, Bulgaria and the Czech Republic have also rejected calls to improve the rights of gays and lesbians.
Kjaerum said, according to the scarce data available from national authorities, "very few incidents" of assault, hate speech by public figures or verbal attacks are reported to police.
Current laws meant to protect against discrimination also do not cover areas such as housing, education or health care, he noted.
The report, which compiled studies and surveys from across Europe, said homophobic abuse is usually carried out by young men in groups, but is also persistent at work, in school or when trying to get medical care.
Kjaerum appealed to EU nations to improve equality legislation, to better record hate crimes "and to train police accordingly." The agency also recommended better awareness campaigns to promote diversity and fight discrimination
The thing I find hilarious about the subject is our left wing friends always bring up the fact that gay serve openly in some branches of the service in Europe.......Well judging by this article that does not seem to be the case does it.............
I read the entire article and saw no mention of gays in the military. I didn't even see any allusions to it. Perhaps you can quote the specific paragraph in the article that you're referring to.
There are numerous cases of Gays who changed so it must be a choice........Lets try and stay on topic though.......This thread is not about whether being gay is a choice............
BTW, good to see you back, NP. Hadn't seen you around much and was getting a little worried about you, my friend.
Interesting, could you link to a study that proves this or is this just your uneducated and homophobic opinion?There are numerous cases of Gays who changed so it must be a choice........Lets try and stay on topic though.......This thread is not about whether being gay is a choice............
Who or what is EUroplot?You do have to remember that EUroplot thinks not bowing to "oppressed minorities" in the street is harassment or worse.
This is just another attempt to get more EU power over national laws in the name of "gay rights'(this time!.).
Working for a private company is vastly different than being in the military... one would think you'd know that. :shock:Do you know what harrassment in the workplace means?
Do you know what harrassment in the workplace means?
But you brought it up, NP. Being gay is not a choice, any more than liking chocolate is a choice. A sexual orientation can not be changed, though one's behaviors can...as can the suppression of one's desired behaviors, can.
BTW, good to see you back, NP. Hadn't seen you around much and was getting a little worried about you, my friend.
Who or what is EUroplot?
How so? Because they are flaunting their sexuality? :dohAs bad as the mardi gras is gay parades are much worse..............
Do you have a link to a credible study showing that they "changed" instead of simply repressed their god given, natural born desires? :2wave:There are numerous cases of Gays who changed so it must be a choice........Lets try and stay on topic though.......This thread is not about whether being gay is a choice............
How about, back to the questions you've ignored.If I brought it up it was a mistake........
As for leaving I promised to give Obama a chance but after 2 months its not working....The man has been a total disaster..........Thank you for your concern CC..I am fine..........:2wave: Now back to the topic of the thread.......
How so? Because they are flaunting their sexuality? :doh
Do you have a link to a credible study showing that they "changed" instead of simply repressed their god given, natural born desires? :2wave:
How about, back to the questions you've ignored.
I could probably understand it if you could explain it. Maybe the reason you can't explain it is because it's BS.1. If you can't understand it I can't explain it to you.........
In other words, you can't link to a credible study...2. Just google on the subject you will fing hundreds of examples.........
TheseWhat question is that my far out left wing friend?
I read the entire article and saw no mention of gays in the military. I didn't even see any allusions to it. Perhaps you can quote the specific paragraph in the article that you're referring to.
ok, while not so much a question in form, it still requires a response.Working for a private company is vastly different than being in the military... one would think you'd know that. :shock:
Would you use a study of workers at Wal-Mart, or at McDonalds, or Chase Bank, for instance, as a reliable measure or predictor of the performance of our U.S. armed forces?
Does the fact that Wal-Mart has recently been the target of numerous sexual harassment and sexual discrimination lawsuits have any bearing on the service of women in the U.S. military?
Wow....lol....funny. I think this pretty much ends the image of Europe being at all "progressive", or as I like to say, "cowardice".
I could probably understand it if you could explain it. Maybe the reason you can't explain it is because it's BS.
In other words, you can't link to a credible study...
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ok, while not so much a question in form, it still requires a response.
I could explain 2 plus 2 is 4 and you still wouldn't get it........
Your to lazy to do the obvious I am not doing it for you my very left wing friend...........