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    Re: Gays, lesbians face wide harassment in Europe

    Quote Originally Posted by Grateful Heart View Post
    It has everything to do with gays serving openly. The premise of your thread is refuted by the very fact that Jews ARE fully integrated into our military... just as are Blacks, Muslims, Native Americans, and many other minorities. The fact that there is bigotry against these groups in society has not prevented their successful inclusion into the Armed Forces.


    One huge difference..........All those nationalities were born that way....They are defined by their race or nationality..............That does not apply to gays who are defined by a choice they make...........
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    Re: Gays, lesbians face wide harassment in Europe

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    One huge difference..........All those nationalities were born that way....They are defined by their race or nationality..............That does not apply to gays who are defined by a choice they make...........
    Did you choose to be heterosexual?


    I know I sure didn't.

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    Re: Gays, lesbians face wide harassment in Europe

    Quote Originally Posted by winston53660 View Post
    Did you choose to be heterosexual?


    I know I sure didn't.

    There are numerous cases of Gays who changed so it must be a choice........Lets try and stay on topic though.......This thread is not about whether being gay is a choice............
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    Re: Gays, lesbians face wide harassment in Europe

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    One huge difference..........All those nationalities were born that way....They are defined by their race or nationality..............That does not apply to gays who are defined by a choice they make...........
    I wasn't aware that being Jewish or Muslim is an inherited trait. Would you permit discrimination in the armed forces against those who chose to be Jewish, but not those who were 'born' into the Jewish faith?


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    Re: Gays, lesbians face wide harassment in Europe

    Quote Originally Posted by Grateful Heart View Post
    I wasn't aware that being Jewish or Muslim is an inherited trait. Would you permit discrimination in the armed forces against those who chose to be Jewish, but not those who were 'born' into the Jewish faith?

    No, not at all, I would let any woman or man who meets the requirements enter our military which is the way it currently is...........

    Can we get back on topic..........thanks.........
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    Re: Gays, lesbians face wide harassment in Europe

    nvm, ignore this.

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    Re: Gays, lesbians face wide harassment in Europe

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    No, not at all, I would let any woman or man who meets the requirements enter our military which is the way it currently is...........

    Can we get back on topic..........thanks.........
    The topic, or premise of the thread, as I understand it, is that gays are unsuitable for U.S. military service because Europeans discriminate against them.

    Doesn't it follow that other groups who Europeans discriminate against are also unsuitable for U.S. military service?

    Or would you agree that discrimination in Europe has little or no bearing on the qualifications of any individual for service in the U.S. military?

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    Re: Gays, lesbians face wide harassment in Europe

    Quote Originally Posted by Grateful Heart View Post
    The topic, or premise of the thread, as I understand it, is that gays are unsuitable for U.S. military service because Europeans discriminate against them.

    Doesn't it follow that other groups who Europeans discriminate against are also unsuitable for U.S. military service?

    Or would you agree that discrimination in Europe has little or no bearing on the qualifications of any individual for service in the U.S. military?


    The thing I find hilarious about the subject is our left wing friends always bring up the fact that gay serve openly in some branches of the service in Europe.......Well judging by this article that does not seem to be the case does it.............
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    Re: Gays, lesbians face wide harassment in Europe

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    The thing I find hilarious about the subject is our left wing friends always bring up the fact that gay serve openly in some branches of the service in Europe.......Well judging by this article that does not seem to be the case does it.............
    I read the entire article and saw no mention of gays in the military. I didn't even see any allusions to it. Perhaps you can quote the specific paragraph in the article that you're referring to.


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    Re: Gays, lesbians face wide harassment in Europe

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    The left keep preaching that gays serving openly in the military is working fine.......Looks like this article tells a different story................

    Nation & World | Gays, lesbians face wide harassment in Europe | Seattle Times Newspaper


    Originally published March 31, 2009 at 2:11 AM | Page modified March 31, 2009 at 3:23 PM



    BRUSSELS
    Lesbians, gays, bisexuals and transsexuals face widespread harassment, bullying and discrimination across Europe, according to an EU report released Tuesday.

    That harassment and discrimination occurs "in all areas of social life," from schools to the workplace to health care centers, the report by the EU's Fundamental Rights Agency said.

    Agency Director Morten Kjaerum said the investigation found gays and lesbians continue to face assault and other physical attacks due to their sexual orientation despite EU rules meant to guarantee equality in the 27-nation bloc.

    "These are alarming signals in an EU that prides itself on its principles of equal treatment and nondiscrimination," he told reporters at the European Parliament.

    The report said gay pride events were being obstructed in Bulgaria, Estonia, Latvia, Poland and Romania. Meanwhile, politicians and religious leaders in Italy, Hungary, Malta, Bulgaria and the Czech Republic have also rejected calls to improve the rights of gays and lesbians.

    Kjaerum said, according to the scarce data available from national authorities, "very few incidents" of assault, hate speech by public figures or verbal attacks are reported to police.

    Current laws meant to protect against discrimination also do not cover areas such as housing, education or health care, he noted.

    The report, which compiled studies and surveys from across Europe, said homophobic abuse is usually carried out by young men in groups, but is also persistent at work, in school or when trying to get medical care.

    Kjaerum appealed to EU nations to improve equality legislation, to better record hate crimes "and to train police accordingly." The agency also recommended better awareness campaigns to promote diversity and fight discrimination
    You do have to remember that EUroplot thinks not bowing to "oppressed minorities" in the street is harassment or worse.

    This is just another attempt to get more EU power over national laws in the name of "gay rights'(this time!.).
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