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    Re: PROMISES, PROMISES: Obama tax pledge up in smoke

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    And to criticise 'misspeak' isnt valid?
    Criticizing a misspeak as "lieing" isn't valid. And frankly, the opinions of hypocrites that criticize Obama about "lieing" for a misspeak that never made a peep about Bush's promises of no nation building and no world policing or the issues with WMD's and other things in regards to Iraq are also invalid.

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    Re: PROMISES, PROMISES: Obama tax pledge up in smoke

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    My point is a misspeak, aka the words you say if taken literally can possibly mean different then the intent and context of them, constitute someone "lieing" automatically?
    That depends. When He said it, did He know (or think there was a distinct possibility) that, if elected, He would raise taxes other than income taxes?

    If so, then its a lie -- or, at best, it is a not-so-carefully crafted exceptionary statement, so that when He DOES raise those taxes, He can say 'well, I promised not to raise INCOME taxes -- and this isnt an income tax".

    (Note how this is EXACTLY the argument used for His defense...)

    And so, at BEST, it is a deliberately misleading statement.
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    Re: PROMISES, PROMISES: Obama tax pledge up in smoke

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    Criticizing a misspeak as "lieing" isn't valid.
    And the critisim of misspeak, in and of itself?
    Escpecially in the context of The Obama as Wunderkind?

    And frankly, the opinions of hypocrites that criticize Obama about "lieing" for a misspeak that never made a peep about Bush's promises of no nation building and no world policing or the issues with WMD's and other things in regards to Iraq are also invalid.
    False.
    No matter how many packs someone smokes each day, their statement that 'smoking is bad for you' is still valid.

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    Re: PROMISES, PROMISES: Obama tax pledge up in smoke

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    Your sig:

    Obviously, you don't.
    Did the FACT that he was speaking in context of income based taxes change? No it didn't. Thanks for playing.
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    Re: PROMISES, PROMISES: Obama tax pledge up in smoke

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    No reach at all.

    Thus, my statement stands.
    Your statement stands if you ignore the rest of his statement and only read the bolded. If you want to cherry pick words out of a sentence can claim statements that's your problem. The rest of us take the entire statement in context, as it is meant to be.
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    Re: PROMISES, PROMISES: Obama tax pledge up in smoke

    Quote Originally Posted by Gibberish View Post
    Your statement stands if you ignore the rest of his statement and only read the bolded.
    The context of his statement doesnt change the meaning of the term 'any" -- and thus, my statement stands, period.

    If you want to ignore the plenary nature of the word 'any", that's your problem -- and, no matter how much you may want to excuse The Obama for this, you cannot change the fact that 'any' means EXACTLY that.

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    Re: PROMISES, PROMISES: Obama tax pledge up in smoke

    Quote Originally Posted by Gibberish View Post
    Did the FACT that he was speaking in context of income based taxes change? No it didn't. Thanks for playing.
    That's OK -- I didn't expect you to man up.

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    Re: PROMISES, PROMISES: Obama tax pledge up in smoke

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    That's OK -- I didn't expect you to man up.
    Coming from the man who has NEVER manned up to ANYTHING.

    I don't know whether to laugh at or cry for you. Really.

    Gibberish, move on. You have better ways to spend your time on this message board.

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    Re: PROMISES, PROMISES: Obama tax pledge up in smoke

    Quote Originally Posted by aps View Post
    I don't know whether to laugh at or cry for you. Really.
    I could not possibly care less about what you think or do.
    Last edited by Goobieman; 04-02-09 at 01:38 PM.

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    Re: PROMISES, PROMISES: Obama tax pledge up in smoke

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    Irrelevant.
    Completely relevant.

    ANY of your taxes.
    Please provide for me the stipulation within the term "any" that excludes taxes on tobacco.
    Yes, yes, Goobie, your going to spin this in your usual partisan hack way, making zero sense and then claiming victory when no one disputes your irrelevant points. I'm sure you understand what Obama meant, in fact all of the things he listed have something to do with types of income taxes. Cigarette taxes are a completely different animal. But I know you need to dislike each and everything Obama does, simply because, as a partisan hack, it's ingrained in you. This prevents you from seeing how innaccurate you are about nearly everything.

    Buy please, continue spinning this. It is always amusing watching you present ridiculous positions.
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