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PROMISES, PROMISES: Obama tax pledge up in smoke

Gibberish said:
Again, he is speaking of income taxes which is why he is calling out salary levels specifically. There are no other taxes that can be controlled based on income level.
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THANK YOU! I was appalled at the number of people who couldn't distinguish the two.

If people don't want to pay the tax on cigarettes, they can jolly well STOP SMOKING!
 
I love seeing the Obama haters trying to find a way to bash Obama and call him a liar. I'm sorry, but you look rather foolish and ignorant in this thread, IMHO.
 
aps said:
I love seeing the Obama haters trying to find a way to bash Obama and call him a liar. I'm sorry, but you look rather foolish and ignorant in this thread, IMHO.
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No one needs to try. Obama is doing just fine all by himself, lying and blundering his way through a fiasco of a presidency.
 
Triad said:
1. I showed he lied about not noticing his pastor. Showing how he has a history of such actions.
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Nope you showed YOU though he lied about it.

Triad said:
2. I showed he stated over and over no tax increases of any kind for those under 250k followed by hims signing a Tax increase which does exactly that.
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And that was what he said he would try to do in his presidency, well, his presidency isn't over for 3 years. So again not a lie.

Triad said:
I presented no conspiracy theories at all.
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As presented by what I said, yes you have done nothing but show conspiracy theories.

Triad said:
Your claim he can raise taxes every day until the very last day then lower them making his promises real. Is just ridiculous.

Your last sentence is what I expect to read form people who spend to much time cheering and not enough time listening.
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Again, his presidency isn't close to over and you have proven yourself as a liar at worst and a conspiracy theorist at worst.

We'll see when his presidency is over.

Triad said:
I know you won't accept this ..yet...but Obama is a user not a leader.
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I accept that you put labels on people before their time is even close to being done.
 
Never assume anything Obama says is what he means.


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I presented no conspiracy theories at all.
 
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Triad said:
Never assume anything Obama says is what he means.
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Again, care to address anything I have said or just make one liners?
 
The cigarette tax is not exclusive to just people in a certain tax bracket, it is a blanket tax on all cigarettes. It affects all smokers, whether 100k a year or 1mil a year. Now, if he had raised tobacco tax only on smokers making 100k or less a year, then the argument could be made that he broke his promise.
 
Get used to that.
Next 4 years we'll be seeing alot of "well technically..."
 
Said this in another thread and saying it here too:

Smokers need to ban together and file a lawsuit against the tax increase since the Constitution stipulates congress cannot single out specific individuals for a tax hike smokers can say we are being singled out.
 
Kali said:
Said this in another thread and saying it here too:

Smokers need to ban together and file a lawsuit against the tax increase since the Constitution stipulates congress cannot single out specific individuals for a tax hike smokers can say we are being singled out.
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:rofl

Sounds great, Constitutional scholar Kali. Oh, while we're on the subject, can you show me where the Constitution validates reparations for slavery, i.e. punishing people for something they had absolutely nothing to do with.
 
Ethereal said:
:rofl

Sounds great, Constitutional scholar Kali. Oh, while we're on the subject, can you show me where the Constitution validates reparations for slavery, i.e. punishing people for something they had absolutely nothing to do with.
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Care to bring up a case with lawyers against it? didn't think so.

Carry on with rhetoric.
 
Kali said:
Said this in another thread and saying it here too:

Smokers need to ban together and file a lawsuit against the tax increase since the Constitution stipulates congress cannot single out specific individuals for a tax hike smokers can say we are being singled out.
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It was completely wrong in that thread and it's completely wrong here.
 
Ethereal said:
:rofl

Sounds great, Constitutional scholar Kali. Oh, while we're on the subject, can you show me where the Constitution validates reparations for slavery, i.e. punishing people for something they had absolutely nothing to do with.
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I think she's referring to the little known "OMG Why R White People So Racism!?!" Clause introduced by Madison.
 
Taxing Whiskey is arguably the first tax that the federal government ever levied. You would have a hard time arguing against the constitutionality of it.


However, in general I would say that excessive taxing on anything is bad for the country, tobacco included. I disagree with Obama's stance on this issue, although trying to make it look like he lied is just a lame smear tactic. It simply make other people who disagree with him look bad by association.
 
TheNextEra said:
Care to bring up a case with lawyers against it? didn't think so.

Carry on with rhetoric.
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In re African-American Slave Descendants Litigation, 2004 U.S. Dist. LEXIS 872 (N.D. Ill. Jan. 26, 2004)
 
Reverend_Hellh0und said:
Que Obama apologists and "he has only been in office two months" squad..... :lol:
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I notice the Obama attackers have already shown that they do not know the difference between 2 months and 4 years. :roll:

Also, as far as I know, smoking cigarettes is still a choice. The types of taxes that, I believe, Obama was discussing during his campaign, are not, and are of a completely different type. This isn't even very convincing :spin:.
 
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Goobieman said:
PROMISES, PROMISES: Obama tax pledge up in smoke

Another example of a liberal politician lying to the people in order to get elected.

Some "change". :roll:
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No surprise. The guy took a page right out of Clinton's handbook.
And he's looking to spend even more.

During the campaign he could not name one program he would cut beyond the military.

After all the crap during the first 60-days, why would anybody be surprised with President Marx now?

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CaptainCourtesy said:
I notice the Obama attackers have already shown that they do not know the difference between 2 months and 4 years. :roll:
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Clearly they think that 5.4% = 100%. I wonder if they'd apply their standards evenly to all things...

Also, as far as I know, smoking cigarettes is still a choice. The types of taxes that, I believe, Obama was discussing during his campaign, are not, and are of a completely different type. This isn't even very convincing :spin:.
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Pretty much. Essentially they say Obama has broken promises on not raising taxes on a certain part of the population whenever a choice based consumption tax is raised because some people in that group choose to partake in that activity. Stupid really. Similarly, we could argue that Obama's policies which could be causing home values to keep falling is a tax break as property assessments fall bringing down property taxes! How many anti-Obamas do we see praising him for that tax cut? Double standards are like flies on the walls of this zoo.

And for those who pretend to dislike the use of tax policy to shape social policy, they are lying through their teeth.
 
obvious Child said:
And for those who pretend to dislike the use of tax policy to shape social policy, they are lying through their teeth.
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Problem is a lot of your side don't "pay their fair share"... to quote a famous but disgraced leftist.

John Edwards, Rangel, Daschle, Geithner, Jefferson, Sebelius, Killefer... to name a few tax cheats.

As far as tax policy... it comes right out of the Commi Manifesto... you may like it, but others see it what it is for:
A tool to divide and control people.
Without a punitive tax code you wouldn't have the tax warfare claptrap the left keeps puking out every four years... nor the imbecilic behavior lathered up by Congress and the president about AIG.

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zimmer said:
Problem is a lot of your side don't "pay their fair share"... to quote a famous but disgraced leftist.
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You really want to go there?

You're calling me a leftist?

You want to stick to that argument? You might want to ask Navy about what happened to him when he did that. You got one post to retract that.

John Edwards, Rangel, Daschle, Geithner, Jefferson, Sebelius, Killefer... to name a few tax cheats.
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Good luck proving they intentionally tried to cheat the government. Given your utter lack of any understanding about the IRC, all you have is posturing.

As far as tax policy... it comes right out of the Commi Manifesto... you may like it, but others see it what it is for:
A tool to divide and control people.
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LOL. Have you even read anything Marx wrote? There is no tax policy in a Communist country. There are no wages. Everyone gets what everyone needs. Arguing that a Communist book promotes tax policy when a Communist country has no personal income to tax is hysterical.

Without a punitive tax code you wouldn't have the tax warfare claptrap the left keeps puking out every four years... nor the imbecilic behavior lathered up by Congress and the president about AIG.

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I'm glad you recognize that the Republican party is part of the left.
 
CaptainCourtesy said:
I notice the Obama attackers have already shown that they do not know the difference between 2 months and 4 years. :roll:

Also, as far as I know, smoking cigarettes is still a choice. The types of taxes that, I believe, Obama was discussing during his campaign, are not, and are of a completely different type. This isn't even very convincing :spin:.
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Rush was joking about the cigarette tax yesterday, saying that we should honor the brave smokers because they're giving their lives for the child. As you know the cigarette tax is suppose to be used for the SCHIP program.
 
Politicians lie. It's in the job description.

Personally, I don't think this rises to the level of a lie. As was pointed out, smoking is a choice, and like every other choice, there are costs associated with it. If the costs become too high, then make a new choice.
 
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