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    Re: Mired in violence, gun-strict Mexico points to U.S.

    Quote Originally Posted by winston53660 View Post
    Are you suggesting that if the general populace were armed some how the problem of gun violence would be cured? How would this work? Would the general pop form vigilante gangs?
    It would at least mean they'd have some hope of fighting back. All the ban does is deprive the law-abiding from any kind of defence. This is an age old problem.
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    Re: Mired in violence, gun-strict Mexico points to U.S.

    Quote Originally Posted by Gill View Post
    They're either liars, amateurs, or lazy. You choose.

    Whenever I see a news article describing so-called assault weapons as "high powered", it's an instant clue that the writer knows absolutely nothing about guns.

    Military rifles are not high powered. Most are not even suitable for deer hunting because the rounds they fire are not big or powerful enough to make a clean kill. The only thing that makes these guns "powerful" is that magazines are available to enable them to shoot a lot of rounds before reloading is required.

    Given the choice, I'd much rather be shot by an AK-47 than a 7mm mag deer rifle.
    I would have to say they are liars who are exploiting the ignorance of others in order to fuel their anti-2nd amendment agenda. They spread this lie that we are somehow arming drug cartels with our lack of anti-constitutional laws and it gives the anti-constitutionalists in office more fuel they need to take away or severely restrict our rights by pretending that we should somehow give a **** about Mexico's crime problem.Mexico doesn't give a **** about our crime problem,most of the 20 million plus criminals who are here illegally in this country are from Mexico.
    "A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murder is less to fear"

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    Re: Mired in violence, gun-strict Mexico points to U.S.

    Quote Originally Posted by winston53660 View Post
    Just curious but do you have any evidence to the contrary of what was reported?
    Why yes, I do...

    The Myth of 90 Percent: Only a Small Fraction of Guns in Mexico Come From U.S. - Presidential Politics | Political News - FOXNews.com

    What's true, an ATF spokeswoman told FOXNews.com, in a clarification of the statistic used by her own agency's assistant director, "is that over 90 percent of the traced firearms originate from the U.S."

    But a large percentage of the guns recovered in Mexico do not get sent back to the U.S. for tracing, because it is obvious from their markings that they do not come from the U.S.

    "Not every weapon seized in Mexico has a serial number on it that would make it traceable, and the U.S. effort to trace weapons really only extends to weapons that have been in the U.S. market," Matt Allen, special agent of U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE), told FOX News.

    In 2007-2008, according to ATF Special Agent William Newell, Mexico submitted 11,000 guns to the ATF for tracing. Close to 6,000 were successfully traced -- and of those, 90 percent -- 5,114 to be exact, according to testimony in Congress by William Hoover -- were found to have come from the U.S.

    But in those same two years, according to the Mexican government, 29,000 guns were recovered at crime scenes.

    In other words, 68 percent of the guns that were recovered were never submitted for tracing. And when you weed out the roughly 6,000 guns that could not be traced from the remaining 32 percent, it means 83 percent of the guns found at crime scenes in Mexico could not be traced to the U.S.
    Why do you suppose the Clinton State Department misrepresented that 90% figure?

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    Re: Mired in violence, gun-strict Mexico points to U.S.

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    Why yes, I do...

    The Myth of 90 Percent: Only a Small Fraction of Guns in Mexico Come From U.S. - Presidential Politics | Political News - FOXNews.com



    Why do you suppose the Clinton State Department misrepresented that 90% figure?
    lol, facts are inconvenient.
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    Re: Mired in violence, gun-strict Mexico points to U.S.

    Quote Originally Posted by stevenb View Post
    lol, facts are inconvenient.
    Hmm.
    Why isnt the media in general reporting on this willfull misrepresentation by The Obama administration?

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    Re: Mired in violence, gun-strict Mexico points to U.S.

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    Hmm.
    Why isnt the media in general reporting on this willfull misrepresentation by The Obama administration?
    I'm member of quite a few gun forums, and they're all asking the same questions.


    The media isn't willingly covering this, because they're funded primarily by liberal organizations, etc..etc.

    Do you honestly think they'd cover the truth on one of their targeted things?

    Honestly?
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    Re: Mired in violence, gun-strict Mexico points to U.S.

    Quote Originally Posted by stevenb View Post
    I'm member of quite a few gun forums, and they're all asking the same questions.


    The media isn't willingly covering this, because they're funded primarily by liberal organizations, etc..etc.

    Do you honestly think they'd cover the truth on one of their targeted things?

    Honestly?
    I guess that goes a long way to support the idea that they are unprofessional and amateurish.

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