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    Re: Mired in violence, gun-strict Mexico points to U.S.

    Quote Originally Posted by winston53660 View Post
    So just give the guy a couple of bucks. Or send the paid soldiers in.
    I think you missed my point. Teh guy in the house can't be bought and since he's fighting for his family, he'll be a much fiercer fighter.

    Quote Originally Posted by winston53660 View Post
    Legal or illegal I think they would get them.
    Exactly, so why deprive law-abiding citizens the chance to have guns to defend themselves?

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    Re: Mired in violence, gun-strict Mexico points to U.S.

    Quote Originally Posted by Tucker Case View Post
    Exactly, so why deprive law-abiding citizens the chance to have guns to defend themselves?
    A better question:
    How does crime in Mexico translate into cause to violate the Constitutional rights of Americans?

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    Re: Mired in violence, gun-strict Mexico points to U.S.

    Quote Originally Posted by Tucker Case View Post
    I think you missed my point. Teh guy in the house can't be bought and since he's fighting for his family, he'll be a much fiercer fighter.
    I really do not think it is that much of a threat to a ruthless cold blooded professional cartel soldier.


    Exactly, so why deprive law-abiding citizens the chance to have guns to defend themselves?
    I dunna know?

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    Re: Mired in violence, gun-strict Mexico points to U.S.

    Quote Originally Posted by winston53660 View Post
    I really do not think it is that much of a threat to a ruthless cold blooded professional cartel soldier.
    You've never seen The Three Amigos then. El Guapo was scared.

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    Re: Mired in violence, gun-strict Mexico points to U.S.

    Quote Originally Posted by Tucker Case View Post
    You've never seen The Three Amigos then. El Guapo was scared.
    LOL, oh god that was a terrible flick

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    Re: Mired in violence, gun-strict Mexico points to U.S.

    Quote Originally Posted by winston53660 View Post
    I really do not think it is that much of a threat to a ruthless cold blooded professional cartel soldier.


    See, here is one of the great beauties of firearms. You do not have to be a 'cold-blooded professional soldier' to use them effectively. You don't have to be a young well-conditioned athlete with years of mixed martial arts training.

    A reasonable amount of determination, and the knowlege that the front post should be centered in the rear notch a hair under the desired impact point, is a good enough start on being a dangerous man.

    Sure, the pro knows a lot more: from trigger control to tactics; proper use of movement and cover; malfunction drills and mag changeouts, and so on. BUT any pro will tell you that a man or woman with the will to stand and shoot, and the basic ability to aim, IS dangerous.

    If you've ever been "downrange", you may have heard this phrase: "It's not the bullet with your name on it to be scared of, its all the ones marked to whom it may concern."

    Now, if the threatened peasant has a couple-three neighbors with guns, guts and grit (and the aforementioned knowlege of how to aim), the singular "cold pro" could easily be in trouble. Especially if he doesn't know they're gunning for him.

    Anyway, all that is tactical considerations. The fundamental issue here is, Mexico's problems will not be solved by reinstating the AWB in America.

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    Re: Mired in violence, gun-strict Mexico points to U.S.

    In fact, let me expand on this theme just a little.

    Sergio Leone made the so-called "spaghetti Westerns", or Spanish made movies about the American West circa 1870-1890. It's considered a classic genre of movies, loved or hated depending on one's tastes.

    I never cared for them much, for one primary reason: Sergio never understood the frontier West, and the relative equality of an armed society. Sergio came from a tradition of rulers and peasants: A medieval knight, "raised to arms", in full plate atop an armored warhorse, could practically put down a village-sized peasant uprising by himself, since the peasants had little in the way of weaponry that could affect him. Sergio's Westerns included outlaws and bounty hunters who were so superhumanly skilled with firearms that they were beyond the law, and the common people cowered when they walked by.

    Contrast this to reality: the infamous James-Younger gang attempted that daylight bank robbery in --Missouri?? wherever--- and got shot to pieces by shopkeepers, blacksmiths, clerks and other townsfolk.

    A few 'common folks' with guns, some guts and grit, and basic skill in shooting, can kill the crap out of a solo gunfighter in a straight-up fight.

    There's a saying (I don't really approve of it but it does illustrate the point): "God created men equal...Sam Colt made them equal."

    The reason Mexico has strict gun laws, is because it is run by the wealthy/powerful families, who control the gov't/police/army, and the peons are exploited like peasants...and if the peons had guns, it might not stay that way.

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    Re: Mired in violence, gun-strict Mexico points to U.S.

    Quote Originally Posted by winston53660 View Post
    Uhmm they were reporting what President Felipe Calderon of Mexico and the U.S. State Department said:



    How does reporting what others said make the media liars?
    Has the media shown these statements to be true?Surely if they were unbiased as they claimed they were they would have at least done a story on which of these stores are selling "illegal" weapons to non citizens.It seems that by helping to spread the lie they themselves are also lying.
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    Re: Mired in violence, gun-strict Mexico points to U.S.

    Quote Originally Posted by Reverend_Hellh0und View Post
    So what. Are people selling guns illegally? (US LAW) if so prosecute them.



    But to suggest we need to restrict the constitutional rights of Americans because of thier problem is asinine.
    I agree.Crime in Mexico is Mexico's problem. If they want to stop weapons from the US being smuggled they could secure their side of the damn border. What next are they going to ban or severely restrict the right to protest because some terrorist sympathizers in Europe or the middle east decided to riot.Maybe they'll ban or severely restrict freedom of religion because of some scumbags in the middle east who decided to blow themselves up to murder innocent civilians.
    "A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murder is less to fear"

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    Re: Mired in violence, gun-strict Mexico points to U.S.

    Quote Originally Posted by winston53660 View Post
    How does reporting what others said make the media liars?
    They're either liars, amateurs, or lazy. You choose.

    Whenever I see a news article describing so-called assault weapons as "high powered", it's an instant clue that the writer knows absolutely nothing about guns.

    Military rifles are not high powered. Most are not even suitable for deer hunting because the rounds they fire are not big or powerful enough to make a clean kill. The only thing that makes these guns "powerful" is that magazines are available to enable them to shoot a lot of rounds before reloading is required.

    Given the choice, I'd much rather be shot by an AK-47 than a 7mm mag deer rifle.

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