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    Re: Mired in violence, gun-strict Mexico points to U.S.

    Quote Originally Posted by celticlord View Post
    Oh, a few armed citizens is far more terrifying than regular army. That's been proven time and again throughout history, and in particular throughout Mexican history.

    Regular army you can see coming, and they make such nice targets--assuming they can't be bribed first. Regular folk are everywhere and blend in so well they are harder to pick off; additionally, since they presumably don't like the cartels, the efficacy of bribery is greatly diminished.
    Ah so you suggesting more or less a revolution

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    Re: Mired in violence, gun-strict Mexico points to U.S.

    Quote Originally Posted by winston53660 View Post
    Are you suggesting that if the general populace were armed some how the problem of gun violence would be cured? How would this work? Would the general pop form vigilante gangs?
    Come on, Winston. You know that's a weak strawman there.

    I never implied that there was any such thing as this mythical "cure" for gun violence. I would sooner argue in favor of the existence of Leprechauns than try to make people believe that fairy tale.

    I'm saying disarming the populous exacerbates the problem of gun violence. I'm not saying it will be "cured" by arming the populous, I'm saying that not disarming the populous will prevent such an exacerbation.

    I'm saying preventing law abiding citizens from getting guns in order to protect themselves form the criminal element only serves to make matters worse.

    The only people who buy the myth that gun violence can be "cured" are those who buy into the myth that gun control is this fantasy cure-all.

    There is no cure for gun violence, but by making it impossible for people to defend themselves, and forcing them to rely on an inept and corrupt police system, only serves to make matters worse and strengthen the criminals who are not nearly as inept, and have corrupted the police system.

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    Re: Mired in violence, gun-strict Mexico points to U.S.

    Quote Originally Posted by winston53660 View Post
    Ah so you suggesting more or less a revolution
    I'm suggesting a few law abiding Mexicans be allowed to shoot back.

    It's only a revolution if the police and the army decide to stay in the pay of the cartels....in which case a revolution would be a good thing.

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    Re: Mired in violence, gun-strict Mexico points to U.S.

    Quote Originally Posted by stevenb View Post
    lul I know this, it seems others aren't very educated in the matter as they continue to prove everytime they post about us citizens buying select fire weapons and sending them to mexico.
    When this originally came up, the story contained information that the guns were being illegally sold to straw purchasers by dealers who were in the employment of the drug cartels.

    I notice that information is missing here. I wonder why.
    I also wonder how a responsible and porfessional press corps could omit such a thing.

    As I said -- all of this just shows how desperate the anti-gun side is to ban 'assault weapons', and to what lengths they will go do justify such a thing.

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    Re: Mired in violence, gun-strict Mexico points to U.S.

    Quote Originally Posted by winston53660 View Post
    Well since the cartels are already not scared of the Mexican authorities I doubt a few armed citizens will have an impact.
    A paid soldier can be bought. And that's a big problem in Mexico. Whereas a man defending his home and family is far more of a threat.

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    Re: Mired in violence, gun-strict Mexico points to U.S.

    Quote Originally Posted by stevenb View Post
    In regards to Winston, and yourself.

    Could you please enlighten me as to where I can buy LEGAL FULL AUTO or SELECT FIRE weapons in this country?

    Please, I've got my savings account waiting.. I'll buy up a bunch of them right now.
    I was actually saying that it doesn't matter where they are getting the guns from. Here, Columbia, Russia, doesn't make a difference. The only thing that matters is that they are getting the weapons DESPITE the strict gun control laws.

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    Re: Mired in violence, gun-strict Mexico points to U.S.

    Quote Originally Posted by Tucker Case View Post
    A paid soldier can be bought. And that's a big problem in Mexico. Whereas a man defending his home and family is far more of a threat.
    So just give the guy a couple of bucks. Or send the paid soldiers in.

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    Re: Mired in violence, gun-strict Mexico points to U.S.

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    When this originally came up, the story contained information that the guns were being illegally sold to straw purchasers by dealers who were in the employment of the drug cartels.

    I notice that information is missing here. I wonder why.
    I also wonder how a responsible and porfessional press corps could omit such a thing.

    As I said -- all of this just shows how desperate the anti-gun side is to ban 'assault weapons', and to what lengths they will go do justify such a thing.
    Yeah, basically.... the administration has been quoted as saying "Never waste a crisis."... Wonder if they're taking this to heart these days.
    George Washington didn't use his freedom of speech to win the war with Britain... He shot them.

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    Re: Mired in violence, gun-strict Mexico points to U.S.

    Quote Originally Posted by Tucker Case View Post
    I was actually saying that it doesn't matter where they are getting the guns from. Here, Columbia, Russia, doesn't make a difference. The only thing that matters is that they are getting the weapons DESPITE the strict gun control laws.
    Legal or illegal I think they would get them. Like strict drug laws in this country.
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    Re: Mired in violence, gun-strict Mexico points to U.S.

    Quote Originally Posted by stevenb View Post
    lul I know this, it seems others aren't very educated in the matter as they continue to prove everytime they post about us citizens buying select fire weapons and sending them to mexico.
    Seeing as you quoted me on the initial point, when and where did I make any such claim?

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