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    Re: Beyond AIG: A Bill to let Big Government Set Your Salary

    Quote Originally Posted by BulletWounD View Post
    The Supreme Court needs to go back to it's intended purpose, to interpret the Constitution as strictly as possible. It's the conservative view which is closest to what the founders intended. American Liberals tend to believe that the Constitution is a "living document" and can be interpreted any way they please, essentially making it meaningless. We might as well just tear it up right now and throw it in the trash.
    Oh you mean interpret the Constitution to how conservatives view it, got it.

    Of course you would be upset. I mean we should have slaves and child labor of course to conservatives. Because the consitution never mentioned those things.

    As a living document the Constitution would free slaves and make labor laws such as children shouldn't be labor, but we know how you would hate a living document to prevent those things.

    You would just like the constitution to remain as is without any amendments and make those things I said to be against possible.

    Sorry we couldn't make the consitution static and not change slavery, child laber, etc. so sorry.

    A lliving document meant changes could be made but you would rather the consiutution stay as is and cannot be changed with any amendments.
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    Re: Beyond AIG: A Bill to let Big Government Set Your Salary

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    Oh you mean interpret the Constitution to how conservatives view it, got it.

    Of course you would be upset. I mean we should have slaves and child labor of course to conservatives.
    Slavery was abolished by the 13th and 14th amendment. Just because the federal government can't prevent child labor doesn't mean the states can't. I assure you, they all would. If they didn't, we could pass the child labor amendment with ease. That's what the founders intended - not this "living document" bullcrap.
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    Re: Beyond AIG: A Bill to let Big Government Set Your Salary

    Quote Originally Posted by BulletWounD View Post
    Slavery was abolished by the 13th and 14th amendment. Just because the federal government can't prevent child labor doesn't mean the states can't. I assure you, they all would. If they didn't, they could pass the child labor amendment with ease. That's what the founders intended - not this "living document" bullcrap.
    It was changed because the constitution was a living document. You would want NOTHING changed.

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    Re: Beyond AIG: A Bill to let Big Government Set Your Salary

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    It was changed because the constitution was a living document. You would want NOTHING changed.
    No, I would want all changes to undergo the Constitutional Amendment Process - just like the 13th and 14th. This is what the founders intended. Instead politicians have been violating their Oath of Office and blatantly subverting the Constitution. This is treason.

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    Re: Beyond AIG: A Bill to let Big Government Set Your Salary

    Quote Originally Posted by BulletWounD View Post
    No, I would want all changes to undergo the Constitutional Amendment Process - just like the 13th and 14th. This is what the founders intended. Instead politicians have been violating their Oath of Office and blatantly subverting the Constitution. This is treason.
    Again, show, prove, and prosecute, things that are being done as unconstitutional.

    As much as I didn't approve of what Bush did, none of what he did was proven unconstitutional, even though I thought it was.

    So clearly what I though what unconstitutional diodn't matter.

    Why don't you try the same thing. Prove it.

    I was told by conservatives and republicans that if I couldn't proive what Bush did was unconstitutional, then it isn't. So I lay the same claim on you, prove it isn't legally and then prosecute.

    If you can't then I say upon you the same thing EVERY conservative/Republican said to me and that is "If you can't then it must be legal".
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    Re: Beyond AIG: A Bill to let Big Government Set Your Salary

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    Again, show, prove, and prosecute, things that are being done as unconstitutional.
    The enumerated powers defined by the Constitution are pretty clear to anybody that can read. It speaks for itself. Do you want me to "prove" that 2+2=4 as well? If the Supreme Court declares that 2+2=5, does that make it true?

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    Re: Beyond AIG: A Bill to let Big Government Set Your Salary

    Quote Originally Posted by celticlord View Post
    Beyond AIG: A Bill to let Big Government Set Your Salary

    Not going to drag in the S-word on this, because the hyperpartisans on the left will disavow it despite all evidence.

    My question is simply this: was any of this the "change" folks voted for?
    I wonder if those socialist in office would make they same thing apply to the paychecks of Hollywood actors,surely a million or two for several months worth of work (if you can call pretending to be something you are not and reading off what someone else says actually work)is too much money.

    (sarcasm)
    "A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murder is less to fear"

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    Re: Beyond AIG: A Bill to let Big Government Set Your Salary

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    I wonder if those socialist in office would make they same thing apply to the paychecks of Hollywood actors,surely a million or two for several months worth of work (if you can call pretending to be something you are not and reading off what someone else says actually work)is too much money.

    (sarcasm)
    Are they asking for government loans?

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    Re: Beyond AIG: A Bill to let Big Government Set Your Salary

    Quote Originally Posted by BulletWounD View Post
    The enumerated powers defined by the Constitution are pretty clear to anybody that can read. It speaks for itself. Do you want me to "prove" that 2+2=4 as well? If the Supreme Court declares that 2+2=5, does that make it true?
    Well then you shouldn 't have any problems prosecuting Obama on this, so why don't you personally?

    I mean like I said time and time again the patriot act was unconstiutional, but I couldn't find any lawyer to take the case. So the conservatives said it was legal since I couldn't.

    so I lay the same claim to you prosecute or STFU. Put up or shut up. You put up a good word game, but if it is unconsutional you shouldn't have a hard time finding a conservative lawyer that REALLY hates Obama (There are plenty just to let you know) to put the legal paperwork in to prove your claim.

    Oh wait, let me guess, no conservative high priced lawyer that would on a pro-bono status to nail that anti-christ Obama (That REALLY REALLY REALLY hates Obama) will take the case. What does that tell you about you pathetic internet claims?

    You have NOTHING.

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    Re: Beyond AIG: A Bill to let Big Government Set Your Salary

    According to those that said what Bush did was illegal in regards to the Iraq War, the opposition said take him to court and if they couldn't Bush was innocent. So what is this any different?
    There is no difference. They are employing the same specious reasoning as you. Also, you did not answer my question.

    So you are saying you have a better understanding of the Constitution than ALL of the Supreme court justices?
    No. Are you saying the Supreme Court Justices are infallible?

    The rest of your post shows your lack of understanding about the legal system of America. I'll leave it at that.
    Translation: I cannot refute your arguments so I'll just make unsubstantiated claims and pass them off as relevant criticisms.

    If there was something illegal, it would have been brought up at least.
    It is being brought up. I'm bringing it up right now, as have many others.

    Only you, a simple internet poster, is challenging the claims among all other conservative lawyers that would love to crucify Obama for anything.
    Ad hominem.

    So don't take this the wrong way, but you mean NOTHING your partisan claims.
    I'm not a partisan. You're just extremely confused.

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