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    Democrats Unveil Carbon Cap Plan.

    House Democrats release climate planHouse leaders released Tuesday a broad plan to reduce carbon emissions and set renewable energy production mandates, the first detailed proposal in what is expected to be one of Democrats' toughest battles in the coming years.

    Speaker Nancy Pelosi's point men on climate change House Energy and Commerce Chairman Henry Waxman and Energy and Rep Edward Markey, chair of the panel's energy subcommittee detailed the plan to reducing carbon emissions through a trading scheme, a measure President Barack Obama has made a cornerstone of his domestic agenda but which has been loosely defined throughout the year.

    The plan calls for a reduction of carbon emissions of 20 percent by 2020 using carbon trading system and requires utilities to purchase 25 percent of their energy from renewable fuel sources by 2025. By 2050, the lawmakers want to reduce U.S. carbon emissions by 83 percent.
    The question is: Why?

    1) No one ever demonstrated a warmer climate is disadvantageous to the United States. That's all that matters. Then again, they never showed it was disadvantageous to the rest of the world.

    2) The earth has entered a cooling trend. Ergo, global warming, the concern allegedly prompting all this interest in controlling people....er I mean reducing carbon emissions, isn't an issue.

    So, why are the Democrats rushing to do as much damage to the American economy as they can as fast as they can?

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    Re: Democrats Unveil Carbon Cap Plan.

    This oughta spur the economy!
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    Re: Democrats Unveil Carbon Cap Plan.

    Even if I was for this kind of thing, which I'm not, this is a horrendous time to be talking about this. The economy, especially in the manufacturing sector, is tanking so in the process of that you're going to institute massive government guidelines forcing them to potentially significantly change their structure in a potentially costly way? Regardless of whether you agree with this kind of thing or not, now is not the time to be pushing it.

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    Re: Democrats Unveil Carbon Cap Plan.

    Well, you see, the Democrats are seriously pushed for time. They have to appease all the stupid people that were dumb enough to vote for Obama and the Democrats before the fit hits the shan, which will be long long before November, 2010.

    Just remember, George Bush is going to be a major candidate in all the 2010 Congressional races. The Democrats will be running against him and doing their best to hide from Obama, too.

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    Re: Democrats Unveil Carbon Cap Plan.

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    Even if I was for this kind of thing, which I'm not, this is a horrendous time to be talking about this...
    It's the perfect time if your part of the far left green movement, which would like nothing more than to gain control of 'collapsing' manufacturing and distribution systems so that in the future, environmental committees will have the power to decide how much is produced... or rather, how little is produced.

    Their intent, of course, is to reduce production, reduce growth, and return the planet to mother nature. I'm talking of the far left environuts, of course. But at times it's hard to distinguish between a far left environut and a moderate one. There are plenty of folks in this world who'd like to see us all living in sod huts, riding bicycles, and growing our own 'chem-free' food in the back yard. Plenty of them.


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    Re: Democrats Unveil Carbon Cap Plan.

    Quote Originally Posted by Scarecrow Akhbar View Post
    So, why are the Democrats rushing to do as much damage to the American economy as they can as fast as they can?
    Simple.
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    Re: Democrats Unveil Carbon Cap Plan.

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    Even if I was for this kind of thing, which I'm not, this is a horrendous time to be talking about this. The economy, especially in the manufacturing sector, is tanking so in the process of that you're going to institute massive government guidelines forcing them to potentially significantly change their structure in a potentially costly way? Regardless of whether you agree with this kind of thing or not, now is not the time to be pushing it.
    While I agree with your assessment I think in certain situations this could prove useful. In some instances, if manufacturing processes are being completely redesigned from the ground up to be more economically efficient then adding environmentally friendly processes during the redesign is really the best time to implement such changes. Though I could also see such guideline requirements during the redesign process being a deterrent to the manufacturer to avoid redesign.
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    Re: Democrats Unveil Carbon Cap Plan.

    Quote Originally Posted by Gibberish View Post
    While I agree with your assessment I think in certain situations this could prove useful. In some instances, if manufacturing processes are being completely redesigned from the ground up to be more economically efficient then adding environmentally friendly processes during the redesign is really the best time to implement such changes. Though I could also see such guideline requirements during the redesign process being a deterrent to the manufacturer to avoid redesign.
    hehe.

    You think this about Green anything?

    It's not. They believe they know what's best, and they are going to destroy anything that stands in their way. EVERY PRODUCT IN AMERICA is going to be effected by this crap. And when the EPA unveils it's CO2 control and regulation, a loaf of bread is gonna hit $5.00, and that's before the hyperinflation by these asinine monetary moves hits us.
    Climate, changes. It takes a particularly uneducated population to buy into the idea that it's their fault climate is changing and further political solutions can fix it.



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    Re: Democrats Unveil Carbon Cap Plan.

    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio View Post
    You think this about Green anything?
    It's not. They believe they know what's best, and they are going to destroy anything that stands in their way.
    They want to destory the freedom to spend your money on whatever you want.

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    Re: Democrats Unveil Carbon Cap Plan.

    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio View Post
    hehe.

    You think this about Green anything?

    It's not. They believe they know what's best, and they are going to destroy anything that stands in their way. EVERY PRODUCT IN AMERICA is going to be effected by this crap. And when the EPA unveils it's CO2 control and regulation, a loaf of bread is gonna hit $5.00, and that's before the hyperinflation by these asinine monetary moves hits us.
    I don't agree with your apocalyptic outlook of implementing environmental friendly quality control on product production.

    We can easily do many of the same process in a a eco-friendly/organic manner and there are manufacturer's that already do this and bread doesn't cost $5.00 a loaf in their market. Check out the Trader Joe's grocer sometime. Plus supply/demand will also control inflation of grocery products.
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