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    Re: Democrats Unveil Carbon Cap Plan.

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    They want to destory the freedom to spend your money on whatever you want.
    Where is the government denying you the ability to purchase products?
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    Re: Democrats Unveil Carbon Cap Plan.

    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio View Post
    hehe.

    You think this about Green anything?

    It's not. They believe they know what's best, and they are going to destroy anything that stands in their way. EVERY PRODUCT IN AMERICA is going to be effected by this crap. And when the EPA unveils it's CO2 control and regulation, a loaf of bread is gonna hit $5.00, and that's before the hyperinflation by these asinine monetary moves hits us.
    Don't worry. The Greens are opposed to bread, tofu is much better for you.

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    Re: Democrats Unveil Carbon Cap Plan.

    Quote Originally Posted by Gibberish View Post
    Where is the government denying you the ability to purchase products?
    Well....

    ...government is raising taxes to spend on their favorite programs. Tax dollars not in my pocket are dollars I can't use to buy the things I want.

    ...government has created so much new imaginary money that the value of the money I have now in savings is going to be reduced 30, 40, 50%, probably even more....so that's money I won't have any more to buy the things I want.

    That's just two real examples of what's happening right now.

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    Re: Democrats Unveil Carbon Cap Plan.

    Quote Originally Posted by Scarecrow Akhbar View Post
    Well....

    ...government is raising taxes to spend on their favorite programs. Tax dollars not in my pocket are dollars I can't use to buy the things I want.

    ...government has created so much new imaginary money that the value of the money I have now in savings is going to be reduced 30, 40, 50%, probably even more....so that's money I won't have any more to buy the things I want.

    That's just two real examples of what's happening right now.
    Ignoring the fact that none of the above has anything to do with the topic, None of the above is the government denying you the ability to purchase a specific product.
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    Re: Democrats Unveil Carbon Cap Plan.

    Quote Originally Posted by Scarecrow Akhbar View Post
    Don't worry. The Greens are opposed to bread, tofu is much better for you.
    Tofu is for the substitution of MEAT not BREAD. Your ignorance on the topic is showing.
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    Re: Democrats Unveil Carbon Cap Plan.

    Quote Originally Posted by Gibberish View Post
    While I agree with your assessment I think in certain situations this could prove useful. In some instances, if manufacturing processes are being completely redesigned from the ground up to be more economically efficient then adding environmentally friendly processes during the redesign is really the best time to implement such changes. Though I could also see such guideline requirements during the redesign process being a deterrent to the manufacturer to avoid redesign.
    The bold part doesn't happen by government fiat.

    It takes money to completely redesign a manufacturing process and during this time especially, companies are trying to hold on to cash and not redesigning with all the extra problems that involves.
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    Re: Democrats Unveil Carbon Cap Plan.

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    The bold part doesn't happen by government fiat.

    It takes money to completely redesign a manufacturing process and during this time especially, companies are trying to hold on to cash and not redesigning with all the extra problems that involves.
    There are more redesigns of SOPs going on now then I have ever seen before. Previously it was expansion of positions and/or outreach. During these times many companies are re-looking out their manufacturing SOPs to see if they are working in the most efficient manner.

    Like I said though, re-designs are more involved and costly if you have to meet higher requirement standards. Which is a reason implementing such standards now may not be a good idea.
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    Re: Democrats Unveil Carbon Cap Plan.

    Quote Originally Posted by Gibberish View Post
    There are more redesigns of SOPs going on now then I have ever seen before. Previously it was expansion of positions and/or outreach. During these times many companies are re-looking out their manufacturing SOPs to see if they are working in the most efficient manner.

    Like I said though, re-designs are more involved and costly if you have to meet higher requirement standards. Which is a reason implementing such standards now may not be a good idea.
    I don't like forcing companies to change based on popular opinion.

    I'll give you that this time in an economy is good for becoming more efficient some just can't afford it.
    The government stepping in and making mandates across the board when not all industries or companies are the same helps no one.
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    Re: Democrats Unveil Carbon Cap Plan.

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    I don't like forcing companies to change based on popular opinion.

    I'll give you that this time in an economy is good for becoming more efficient some just can't afford it.
    The government stepping in and making mandates across the board when not all industries or companies are the same helps no one.
    I didn't mean to imply these redesigns should be forced. I am very much against the government forcing companies to redesign their processes in anyway. My point is that if the company chooses a process redesign is in the best interest of the company then they should add the new quality standards as part of their redesign.
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    Re: Democrats Unveil Carbon Cap Plan.

    Quote Originally Posted by Gibberish View Post
    I didn't mean to imply these redesigns should be forced. I am very much against the government forcing companies to redesign their processes in anyway. My point is that if the company chooses a process redesign is in the best interest of the company then they should add the new quality standards as part of their redesign.
    That sounds fair.

    I'm pretty annoyed with any cap and trade plan since "Climate Change" is less science and more politics.
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