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    Re: GM, Chrysler Get Ultimatum From Obama on Turnaround

    Quote Originally Posted by Scarecrow Akhbar View Post
    If GM doesn't back the warranties, and no one else does, Joe won't be stupid enough to buy a GM car, and GM goes bye-bye, like it should, but that would cost the goddamned uniongoons all those overpriced jobs and cost the Democrats votes. Can't have that.

    That's all this is about, Democrat votes and uniongoon jobs.

    The money shouldn't be handed out, and the government should stop throwing good money after bad.

    There's only two steps left to be taken that I can see.

    The Teleprompter Reading Messiah is going to demand the taxpayer subsidize the sale of GM cars.

    Then, when GM sales remain flat, the TRM is going to raise taxes on people who don't own a GM car. This last will be called the GM Car Emergency Tax Credit.

    It's what fascist states like the one the TRM is building do.
    Backing the warranties protect those who purchased GM prior to their total collapse as well, not just people who buy them form here on out.

    I don't think government support of warranties will do **** to help GM sales. Do you actually think there is any chance it would?

    Glad to see all the anti-bushbots are not in total support of corporate welfare. Are guys on the flip side, or the flop side, today?
    How am I an anti-bushbot?

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    Re: GM, Chrysler Get Ultimatum From Obama on Turnaround

    Quote Originally Posted by Tucker Case View Post
    Backing the warranties protect those who purchased GM prior to their total collapse as well, not just people who buy them form here on out.

    I don't think government support of warranties will do **** to help GM sales. Do you actually think there is any chance it would?
    No. I don't.

    I wasn't stupid enough to vote for Obama, either.

    Obama must think it will, or why would he do it?



    Quote Originally Posted by Tucker Case View Post
    How am I an anti-bushbot?

    Outside of your sudden praise and admiration of corporate welfare?

    You mean perhaps you've always felt that way, that you've always supported fascist interference in what's supposed to be a free economy? Then maybe you're not a flipflopping anti-bushbot.

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    Re: GM, Chrysler Get Ultimatum From Obama on Turnaround

    Personally I'm kind of curious why more Obama supporters and liberals in general aren't more disgusted with this entire Obama corporate bailout plan. Considering that corporate America disgusts so many liberals one would think that the government actually giving bailout money to said corporations would disgust them as well.

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    Re: GM, Chrysler Get Ultimatum From Obama on Turnaround

    Quote Originally Posted by Scarecrow Akhbar View Post
    No. I don't.

    I wasn't stupid enough to vote for Obama, either.

    Obama must think it will, or why would he do it?
    Maybe to protect the consumers who already have GM vehicles under warranty when the company fails?






    Outside of your sudden praise and admiration of corporate welfare?
    Where was that exactly?

    You mean perhaps you've always felt that way, that you've always supported fascist interference in what's supposed to be a free economy? Then maybe you're not a flipflopping anti-bushbot.
    How would I be any type of anti-bushbot, flip-flopping or otherwise?

    HINT: This is where you actually support the ad-hom instead of spewing more nonsense.

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    Re: GM, Chrysler Get Ultimatum From Obama on Turnaround

    Also, wouldn't an anti-bushbot actually be against all of Bush's policies blindly?

    Policies such as, oh, I don't know, Corporate ****ing welfare:

    Stopgap auto bailout to help GM, Chrysler - Dec. 19, 2008

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    Re: GM, Chrysler Get Ultimatum From Obama on Turnaround

    Quote Originally Posted by Tucker Case View Post
    Also, wouldn't an anti-bushbot actually be against all of Bush's policies blindly?

    Policies such as, oh, I don't know, Corporate ****ing welfare:

    Stopgap auto bailout to help GM, Chrysler - Dec. 19, 2008
    Many people on the right were not happy with those, Bush laid the ground work to allow Obama to become CEO-in-Chief.

    It's very sad to see people jsut accepting this behavior.
    Climate, changes. It takes a particularly uneducated population to buy into the idea that it's their fault climate is changing and further political solutions can fix it.



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    Re: GM, Chrysler Get Ultimatum From Obama on Turnaround

    It's somewhat amusing to see Bushies complain about obama's abuse of office. Obama supporters were sucked in by a smooth talker and he's mirrored the bush admin so much we should just call him Obushama. It would be awesome if we could see a realistic poll of how many who are condemning this move also condemned Bush's 9/11 airline $$ for silence scheme, otherwise known as the Victims' Fund, which was signed into law on less than two weeks after the attacks. People supporting moves like that is what sets a precedent for later sell-outs to follow.

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    Re: GM, Chrysler Get Ultimatum From Obama on Turnaround

    While I was at the gym, there was mention of a $4,000 tax credit for the purchase of an American made vehicle, on the TV. Obviously I couldn't hear what they were saying about it, and could only read the headlines, but apparently thats being opposed by the people in the used car market and the auto repair industry. So essentially to help one, you invariably screw the other. I can see where people in the auto repair business would oppose government backed warranties, but outside of that group I don't see why that's a terrible thing in and of itself.

    Do I think GM should sink? Sure, just as donsutherland stated, Chapter 11 is probably the best way to go, to force restructuring. I don't understand why people on the left oppose chapter 11 bankruptcy for a corporation that is on the verge of going under. It makes all the talk about hating big evil corporations suspect, when they seek to protect them. I know they will say its to protect the average joe working the assembly line, but that big evil corporation is who gave them a job in the first place. I personally see chapter 11 as the only real way out of this mess to be honest.
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    Re: GM, Chrysler Get Ultimatum From Obama on Turnaround

    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio View Post
    Many people on the right were not happy with those, Bush laid the ground work to allow Obama to become CEO-in-Chief.

    It's very sad to see people jsut accepting this behavior.
    I agree 100% MrVicchio. Just off the top of my head, I can clearly recall you, the Rev, and some others getting mighty riled up over Bush's corporate welfare. I credit you guys with being consistent on that.

    What I don't understand is me being called an anti-bushbot by someone about this issue.

    In essence, my stance is that I'd rather see the warranties get backed and allow GM to go under. If GM dies, but the warranties are not backed, people who purchased GM a year or two ago will be hit with serious problems because they have no more warranty.

    Sure they shouldn't have bought GM, but some people are patriotic enough that they only buy American because they believe it is better for the country than buying Japanese. Hell, I used to think that way, and still won't buy any car made in another country.

    I don't want to see American patriots who used their personal finances to help out an American company screwed by that companies incompetence.

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    Re: GM, Chrysler Get Ultimatum From Obama on Turnaround

    Quote Originally Posted by WI Crippler View Post
    While I was at the gym, there was mention of a $4,000 tax credit for the purchase of an American made vehicle, on the TV. Obviously I couldn't hear what they were saying about it, and could only read the headlines, but apparently thats being opposed by the people in the used car market and the auto repair industry. ...
    That doesn't need to be one of the big three. My wife's Hyundai was made in Alabama.

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