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Biden: No change on Cuban Policy

From Obama's website:

Barack Obama will continue the long American tradition of smart diplomacy to keep the country safe while improving America’s standing in the world.

Barack Obama and Joe Biden: The Change We Need | Policy Issues

The only thing changing is the look on the faces of Obama's constituents as he keeps Bush' policies in place.
 
you mean American policies, not necessarily Bush policies.

Sad that a small, former sugar-colony, country could cause just animosity
 
I think those sanctions are about to work. Cuba will break any day now. ;)
 
Sanctions, Embargoes....

Iran launched a satellite.
 
The embargo had middling effects during the Cold War do to the economc agreements between the USSR and Cuba...

Since then though they have worked wonderfully.
The Cuban economy is a shambles. The Communist government is clearly incapable of solving that problem without the USA. The USA is clearly seen as the source of Cuban salvation if the Dictatorship is removed.

Throwing that all away to "feel good" in intellectual circles while re-invigorating the Communist regime in Cuba would be monumentally stupid...




How about we agree to lift the embargo on the condition that Cuba hold Democratic elections for all positions including the Presidency.
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What a pathetic joke. When is this stupidity going to end? The Cold war has been over for nearly 20 years now. What possible justification still exists, other than serving a small minority of Floridians?
 
I think those sanctions are about to work. Cuba will break any day now. ;)

It will- although for reasons completely unrelated to the sanctions, of course. Communism in the island will die with the Castro brothers, and with any luck, sooner than that even.


I think it's a sort of screwed if you do, screwed if you don't type situation. Lifting the embargo will do nothing to heal the wounds that the communist system has put on Cuba; still, I personally always find it hard to be against lifting trade barriers.

-Thoughts from a half-Cuban
 
It's amusing to read all the rhetoric about how "bad" Cuba has it because it's a communist nation.
 
It's amusing to read all the rhetoric about how "bad" Cuba has it because it's a communist nation.

Oh? Would you like to tell my Cuban aunt who goes there regularly to deliver medicine how good it actually is?

Or what about my dad and his family who had to leave Cuba because it was becoming too good for him, along with hundreds of thousands of others?
 
If it wasnt for Cuba, Scarface wouldnt have been made. Lift the embargoes!
 
Oh? Would you like to tell my Cuban aunt who goes there regularly to deliver medicine how good it actually is?

Or what about my dad and his family who had to leave Cuba because it was becoming too good for him, along with hundreds of thousands of others?

That wasn't my experience when I did my internship there. My accommodations were obviously nicer than most of the Cubans, but my actual work went out into the communities. Cuba has a self-sustaining micro-economy, one of the only successful ones in the world, and serves as a model for future developments elsewhere. They have the best trained medical staff and are very generous with teaching and healing others. Their polyculture in particular is quite advanced.

Most of the conditions you speak of could be aided by lifting the embargoes, but Cuba's internal system in of itself is pretty efficient and provides. Cuba is a successful Communist nation which is why the U.S. resents it so much. Oh, and the good old missile crisis back in the day... but we should let bygones be bygones already.

If the embargo were lifted, Cuba would become an even better Communist nation... and we don't want that, now do we.

In terms of the politics, there is not that much oppression. People's living conditions could always be improved, but in terms of the harshness of the government, it doesn't compare to somewhere like China. Most of the people I talked, even privately, supported their government.
 
It's amusing to read all the rhetoric about how "bad" Cuba has it because it's a communist nation.

Its so great, people risk their live to leave. We should rename that patch of sea water, the Berlin Strait, for as many people that try to cross to escape the "great" communist system they have there.
 
That wasn't my experience when I did my internship there. My accommodations were obviously nicer than most of the Cubans, but my actual work went out into the communities. Cuba has a self-sustaining micro-economy, one of the only successful ones in the world, and serves as a model for future developments elsewhere. They have the best trained medical staff and are very generous with teaching and healing others. Their polyculture in particular is quite advanced.

Most of the conditions you speak of could be aided by lifting the embargoes, but Cuba's internal system in of itself is pretty efficient and provides. Cuba is a successful Communist nation which is why the U.S. resents it so much. Oh, and the good old missile crisis back in the day... but we should let bygones be bygones already.

If the embargo were lifted, Cuba would become an even better Communist nation... and we don't want that, now do we.

In terms of the politics, there is not that much oppression. People's living conditions could always be improved, but in terms of the harshness of the government, it doesn't compare to somewhere like China. Most of the people I talked, even privately, supported their government.




yes, its soooo wonderful



YouTube - Cuban Raft Rescue - Carnival Valor Sept 24th 07


so much so people risk dying to leave it. :roll:
 
It's amusing to read all the rhetoric about how "bad" Cuba has it because it's a communist nation.

Well yeah, state controlled markets dont work, and the Cuban economy is a lump of **** because of it. Thats why Cuba is a bad nation, as a result of the communist regieme and there retarted, incompetitent "Lawyers and Janitors" should get the same wages, equality in income rhetoric.
 
I'm not claiming that it's so great that people would never want to leave. People don't have the luxuries that we do here, simply because of the embargo system. When you walk down the street there, there are cars all over the place, but none of them have fuel to run. Maybe if the embargo were lifted, people would live better, communism or no communism.

It's not so black and white that you can blame all of its poverty on communism. The U.S. still made the choice to place the embargo, which is in turn hurting the Cuban people. All of the systems they have there now are designed to operate with limited resources and long-term sustainability. I think it's rather remarkable that they fair so well.

Of course, none of you can pay a visit to see how interesting a country it is. Instead, you have to sit in the U.S. and continue to spoonfed the usual propaganda about how everyone there is suffering terribly...

The people who want to leave either aspire to a Western way of living (more luxuries, more waste, etc.), are impoverished to such a degree that the government there cannot help them (i.e. they have huge families or require medical care that Cuban resources cannot provide), or they simply want to see the world.
 
I'm not claiming that it's so great that people would never want to leave. People don't have the luxuries that we do here, simply because of the embargo system. When you walk down the street there, there are cars all over the place, but none of them have fuel to run. Maybe if the embargo were lifted, people would live better, communism or no communism.

It's not so black and white that you can blame all of its poverty on communism. The U.S. still made the choice to place the embargo, which is in turn hurting the Cuban people. All of the systems they have there now are designed to operate with limited resources and long-term sustainability. I think it's rather remarkable that they fair so well.

Of course, none of you can pay a visit to see how interesting a country it is. Instead, you have to sit in the U.S. and continue to spoonfed the usual propaganda about how everyone there is suffering terribly...

The people who want to leave either aspire to a Western way of living (more luxuries, more waste, etc.), are impoverished to such a degree that the government there cannot help them (i.e. they have huge families or require medical care that Cuban resources cannot provide), or they simply want to see the world.



So you are suggesting it is America's fault? :lol::lol::lol::lol:
 
So you are suggesting it is America's fault?

No. I am saying that you can't blame it all on communism, as there are other factors.

Learn to read and not skim. Maybe you'll get the point next time. :lol::lol::lol::lol:
 
So you are suggesting it is America's fault? :lol::lol::lol::lol:

The cubans deserve to suffer under the embargos. Teaches there damn government a good lesson; destroy communism and bring money to your people or continue living under poverty. I wouldnt have said they deserve it had those idiots not entertained the idea of Russian missiles in Cuba to destroy America not so long ago. Its not like its a different administration since then anyway; its the Castro brothers, all the same ****.
 
No. I am saying that you can't blame it all on communism, as there are other factors.

Learn to read and not skim. Maybe you'll get the point next time. :lol::lol::lol::lol:




"People don't have the luxuries that we do here, simply because of the embargo system. When you walk down the street there, there are cars all over the place, but none of them have fuel to run. Maybe if the embargo were lifted, people would live better, communism or no communism."



So you didn't blame the us right here? :lol:
 
"People don't have the luxuries that we do here, simply because of the embargo system. When you walk down the street there, there are cars all over the place, but none of them have fuel to run. Maybe if the embargo were lifted, people would live better, communism or no communism."

So you didn't blame the us right here? :lol:

The embargo had a lot to do with Cuban's change in industry development. The U.S. provided most of Cuba's food prior to the embargo. Once the embargo began, the population had to switch to rations, which in turn limited national productivity. The U.S. also refuses to send medical supplies, which results in higher mortality rates even with the most basic of diseases.

Even Canada cannot send companies there to establish business, because the U.S. embargo rules also punish foreign companies that ignore the U.S. hegemony in this department.

Basically... the embargo is in place because Cuba is the only Communist nation to oust the United States. Even during Bush's term, some senators wanted to lift the travel bans and begin some light trade, but Bush vetoed the legislation. So... there you have it.

If you want Cuba's livelihood to improve, then your country needs to start exporting to it. It's that simple. You can only blame Communism so much. It's going to remain Communist even after the Castro brothers are gone, you can bet on it. Rather than hold a grudge, it makes much more sense to begin trade.

The U.S. trades with China... I don't see why Cuba is such a big deal in modern times.
 
I'm not claiming that it's so great that people would never want to leave. People don't have the luxuries that we do here, simply because of the embargo system. When you walk down the street there, there are cars all over the place, but none of them have fuel to run. Maybe if the embargo were lifted, people would live better, communism or no communism.

It's not so black and white that you can blame all of its poverty on communism. The U.S. still made the choice to place the embargo, which is in turn hurting the Cuban people. All of the systems they have there now are designed to operate with limited resources and long-term sustainability. I think it's rather remarkable that they fair so well.

Of course, none of you can pay a visit to see how interesting a country it is. Instead, you have to sit in the U.S. and continue to spoonfed the usual propaganda about how everyone there is suffering terribly...

The people who want to leave either aspire to a Western way of living (more luxuries, more waste, etc.), are impoverished to such a degree that the government there cannot help them (i.e. they have huge families or require medical care that Cuban resources cannot provide), or they simply want to see the world.

Everywhere there is communism, it seems there is a flow of people trying to exit the communist states, towards the free states. That pretty much tells me all I need to know about communism and its actual functionality.

Besides, I thought Cuba had world class healthcare that outstriped the American system by a mile, and yet the government cannot afford to help large, impoverished families? Nobody floats on a raft, in the open seas, to "simply see the world".
 
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