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    Re: Biden: No change on Cuban Policy

    It's amusing to read all the rhetoric about how "bad" Cuba has it because it's a communist nation.

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    Re: Biden: No change on Cuban Policy

    Quote Originally Posted by Orius View Post
    It's amusing to read all the rhetoric about how "bad" Cuba has it because it's a communist nation.
    Oh? Would you like to tell my Cuban aunt who goes there regularly to deliver medicine how good it actually is?

    Or what about my dad and his family who had to leave Cuba because it was becoming too good for him, along with hundreds of thousands of others?

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    Re: Biden: No change on Cuban Policy

    If it wasnt for Cuba, Scarface wouldnt have been made. Lift the embargoes!
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    Re: Biden: No change on Cuban Policy

    Quote Originally Posted by Dav View Post
    Oh? Would you like to tell my Cuban aunt who goes there regularly to deliver medicine how good it actually is?

    Or what about my dad and his family who had to leave Cuba because it was becoming too good for him, along with hundreds of thousands of others?
    That wasn't my experience when I did my internship there. My accommodations were obviously nicer than most of the Cubans, but my actual work went out into the communities. Cuba has a self-sustaining micro-economy, one of the only successful ones in the world, and serves as a model for future developments elsewhere. They have the best trained medical staff and are very generous with teaching and healing others. Their polyculture in particular is quite advanced.

    Most of the conditions you speak of could be aided by lifting the embargoes, but Cuba's internal system in of itself is pretty efficient and provides. Cuba is a successful Communist nation which is why the U.S. resents it so much. Oh, and the good old missile crisis back in the day... but we should let bygones be bygones already.

    If the embargo were lifted, Cuba would become an even better Communist nation... and we don't want that, now do we.

    In terms of the politics, there is not that much oppression. People's living conditions could always be improved, but in terms of the harshness of the government, it doesn't compare to somewhere like China. Most of the people I talked, even privately, supported their government.

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    Re: Biden: No change on Cuban Policy

    Quote Originally Posted by chevydriver1123 View Post
    Ok so now the Cold Warriors can no longer be paranoid that Obama will break the chains that keep Castro and his boys contained. More of the same indeed.

    Biden says U.S. does not plan to lift Cuba embargo | Markets | US Markets | Reuters
    Wait a minute, wasn't that a campaign promise?
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    Re: Biden: No change on Cuban Policy

    Quote Originally Posted by Orius View Post
    It's amusing to read all the rhetoric about how "bad" Cuba has it because it's a communist nation.
    Its so great, people risk their live to leave. We should rename that patch of sea water, the Berlin Strait, for as many people that try to cross to escape the "great" communist system they have there.
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    Re: Biden: No change on Cuban Policy

    Quote Originally Posted by Orius View Post
    That wasn't my experience when I did my internship there. My accommodations were obviously nicer than most of the Cubans, but my actual work went out into the communities. Cuba has a self-sustaining micro-economy, one of the only successful ones in the world, and serves as a model for future developments elsewhere. They have the best trained medical staff and are very generous with teaching and healing others. Their polyculture in particular is quite advanced.

    Most of the conditions you speak of could be aided by lifting the embargoes, but Cuba's internal system in of itself is pretty efficient and provides. Cuba is a successful Communist nation which is why the U.S. resents it so much. Oh, and the good old missile crisis back in the day... but we should let bygones be bygones already.

    If the embargo were lifted, Cuba would become an even better Communist nation... and we don't want that, now do we.

    In terms of the politics, there is not that much oppression. People's living conditions could always be improved, but in terms of the harshness of the government, it doesn't compare to somewhere like China. Most of the people I talked, even privately, supported their government.



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    Re: Biden: No change on Cuban Policy

    Quote Originally Posted by Orius View Post
    It's amusing to read all the rhetoric about how "bad" Cuba has it because it's a communist nation.
    Well yeah, state controlled markets dont work, and the Cuban economy is a lump of **** because of it. Thats why Cuba is a bad nation, as a result of the communist regieme and there retarted, incompetitent "Lawyers and Janitors" should get the same wages, equality in income rhetoric.
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    Re: Biden: No change on Cuban Policy

    I'm not claiming that it's so great that people would never want to leave. People don't have the luxuries that we do here, simply because of the embargo system. When you walk down the street there, there are cars all over the place, but none of them have fuel to run. Maybe if the embargo were lifted, people would live better, communism or no communism.

    It's not so black and white that you can blame all of its poverty on communism. The U.S. still made the choice to place the embargo, which is in turn hurting the Cuban people. All of the systems they have there now are designed to operate with limited resources and long-term sustainability. I think it's rather remarkable that they fair so well.

    Of course, none of you can pay a visit to see how interesting a country it is. Instead, you have to sit in the U.S. and continue to spoonfed the usual propaganda about how everyone there is suffering terribly...

    The people who want to leave either aspire to a Western way of living (more luxuries, more waste, etc.), are impoverished to such a degree that the government there cannot help them (i.e. they have huge families or require medical care that Cuban resources cannot provide), or they simply want to see the world.

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    Re: Biden: No change on Cuban Policy

    Quote Originally Posted by Orius View Post
    I'm not claiming that it's so great that people would never want to leave. People don't have the luxuries that we do here, simply because of the embargo system. When you walk down the street there, there are cars all over the place, but none of them have fuel to run. Maybe if the embargo were lifted, people would live better, communism or no communism.

    It's not so black and white that you can blame all of its poverty on communism. The U.S. still made the choice to place the embargo, which is in turn hurting the Cuban people. All of the systems they have there now are designed to operate with limited resources and long-term sustainability. I think it's rather remarkable that they fair so well.

    Of course, none of you can pay a visit to see how interesting a country it is. Instead, you have to sit in the U.S. and continue to spoonfed the usual propaganda about how everyone there is suffering terribly...

    The people who want to leave either aspire to a Western way of living (more luxuries, more waste, etc.), are impoverished to such a degree that the government there cannot help them (i.e. they have huge families or require medical care that Cuban resources cannot provide), or they simply want to see the world.


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