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    Re: Spain may open torture probe of six Bush officials

    At least Bill O'Rielly wont be coming to Spain any time soon.. seems he is boycotting Spain.. time for a party!
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    Re: Spain may open torture probe of six Bush officials

    Quote Originally Posted by RightinNYC View Post
    And with that, the tattered shreds of your credibility exploded into thin air.



    Oh yeah like that did it.......
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    Re: Spain may open torture probe of six Bush officials

    Concerned that the case was largely about politics, Spain's Attorney-General indicated that Spanish prosecutors would recommend dropping the case. MSNBC reported:

    Candido Conde-Pumpido said the case against the high-ranking U.S. officials — including former U.S. Attorney-General Alberto Gonzales — was without merit because the men were not present when the alleged torture took place.

    "If one is dealing with a crime of mistreatment of prisoners of war, the complaint should go against those who physically carried it out," Conde-Pumpido said in a breakfast meeting with journalists. He said a trial of the men would have turned Spain's National Court "into a plaything" to be used for political ends.
    Spain rules out torture probe of U.S. officials - Guantanamo- msnbc.com

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    Re: Spain may open torture probe of six Bush officials

    Quote Originally Posted by donsutherland1 View Post
    Concerned that the case was largely about politics, Spain's Attorney-General indicated that Spanish prosecutors would recommend dropping the case. MSNBC reported:

    Spain rules out torture probe of U.S. officials - Guantanamo- msnbc.com
    Well that settles that. Thank you.

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    Re: Spain may open torture probe of six Bush officials

    Quote Originally Posted by RightinNYC View Post
    If you'd like to see an example of how universal jurisdiction has played out in practice when individuals try to use it to do things that are not politically palatable, read up on Belgium's experience.
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    They have no choice, it is the law. Its called Universal Jurisdiction.
    Guess there was a choice after all.
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    Re: Spain may open torture probe of six Bush officials

    How is "universal jurisdiction" not simply a form of imperialism?

    Granted, there are some things which by custom are triable in the courts of any nation -- such as piracy -- but those are pretty much all things which happen outside the jurisdiction of any state.

    Claiming for your own country's courts the ability to try anyone, anywhere, for "crimes" of your choosing committed nowhere near your own jurisdiction but within the jurisdiction of another state . . . well, that's just "legal" conquest.

    (Cue all the usual suspects screeching about "hypocrisy" here.)
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    Re: Spain may open torture probe of six Bush officials

    Quote Originally Posted by ludahai View Post
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    Spain has no jurisdiction here. It was not on their soil and Spain's rights are not being violated here. This is a matter for international courts, not a foreign municipal one. Nice try though, Spain.
    I hope they press on with this, forcefully... and force Obama to make a public repudiation of the Spaniards... and in the same motion... defend Bush.

    If we don't hear anything further he'll have rightly killed it behind the scenes, and if he does... hats off to him. He'd have done the right thing.

    If not, Obama's in a corner... he'll have to call up Le Teleprompteur for help to get himself out.

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    Re: Spain may open torture probe of six Bush officials

    Quote Originally Posted by ludahai View Post
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    Spain has no jurisdiction here. It was not on their soil and Spain's rights are not being violated here. This is a matter for international courts, not a foreign municipal one. Nice try though, Spain.
    The international courts have no sovereignty, they can piss off too. I'm not saying things shouldn't be looked at, I think there is definitely enough to warrant investigation. But it needs to be done by us.
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    Re: Spain may open torture probe of six Bush officials

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    The international courts have no sovereignty, they can piss off too. I'm not saying things shouldn't be looked at, I think there is definitely enough to warrant investigation. But it needs to be done by us.
    Agree with the first.

    The second...
    Bring it on.

    That's all you need to do in this political climate.

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    Re: Spain may open torture probe of six Bush officials

    Quote Originally Posted by zimmer View Post
    That's all you need to do in this political climate.

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    What we need to do in this political climate is get back control over the god damned government and politicians. One way to do that is to demand more investigations into reported abuses and hold ALL of them responsible for their actions. This is getting out of control, and we'd better watch it cause loosing control of the govenrment never ends anywhere fun.
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