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    Re: Spain may open torture probe of six Bush officials

    Quote Originally Posted by Degreez View Post
    Just like Saddam was tried on the authority of the CPA and not the International Tribunal of Justice in The Hague.
    Wasn't Saddam tried in Iraq?
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    Re: Spain may open torture probe of six Bush officials

    Quote Originally Posted by HelloDollyLlama View Post
    Wrong! The one area in which the international community accepts a broad interpretation of universal jurisdiction is for torture. For example, a Spanish court demanded the extradition of August Pinochet on the grounds that some of the people he tortured were Spanish, and sure enough, he was arrested in Britain.

    And what we did in the US was absolutely torture. A recent Red Cross review of our abuses showed that our interrogators went even further than the stuff we executed Gestapo interrogators for after WWII.

    America was run for eight years by a criminal enterprise, the Bush crime family. Now we need to see to it that it never happens again.
    The United States does not and has never accepted this notion.
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    Re: Spain may open torture probe of six Bush officials

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Why doesn't Spain have any jurisdiction on whether or not Spaniard citizens have been tortured? If this was U.S. citizens being tortured by Arabs we'd see outcries for American intervention on the matter and middle fingers right and left to the U.N. for it's inaction regarding such matters.
    Why? It did not occur on Spanish soil. It was on Cuban soil leased to the US and is under US jurisdiction. They were NOT taken from Spanish soil, they were taken from a third country. As such, Spanish law has no application in this case.

    As for the situation you propose, that would be a matter for INTERNATIONAL courts to deal with OR the UN Security Council, NOT a municipal court in any state except the state the incident occurred in.
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    Re: Spain may open torture probe of six Bush officials

    Hell there isn't even any proof here. Just because someone says there is well documented whatever, doesn't mean squat. And as for HelloDolly, you're going off the deep end buddy. Pull yourself together.
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    Re: Spain may open torture probe of six Bush officials

    I guess Spain's economy must be roaring along if they're focusing on this right now. What a waste of money.

    Oh, and as for extradition, there's no way in hell Obama would let that happen because he wouldn't want he and his cronies to face trumped up charges by some other country after he left office, and be shipped off like a common criminal.
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    Re: Spain may open torture probe of six Bush officials

    It did not occur on Spanish soil.
    Irrelevant. Spaniard citizens. Are you arguing that Spain does not have jurisdiction on it's own citizens?
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    Re: Spain may open torture probe of six Bush officials

    Shouldn't they start with why these "5" were in Gitmo to begin with? Or does that matter to no one?
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    Re: Spain may open torture probe of six Bush officials

    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio View Post
    Shouldn't they start with why these "5" were in Gitmo to begin with? Or does that matter to no one?
    C'mon MrVicchio, everyone knows they were innocent civilians accidentally shooting at American soldiers.
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    Re: Spain may open torture probe of six Bush officials

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Irrelevant. Spaniard citizens. Are you arguing that Spain does not have jurisdiction on it's own citizens?
    They don't have jurisdiction over their own citizens if they are on foreign soil. Do you think the US has jurisdiction over its own citizens on foreign soil? The days of extraterritoriality are long over.
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    Re: Spain may open torture probe of six Bush officials

    Quote Originally Posted by ludahai View Post
    Wasn't Saddam tried in Iraq?
    In a Special Trial created by the CPA. Persons accused of war crimes are supposed to be tried in the ICJ in The Hague, Netherlands.

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