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    Re: Guns Legal Now In Texas' Work Place Parking Lots

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    Thank you for the clarification. This seems entirely consistent to me and I see no problem with it.
    Thinking more on your smoking analogy: since the weapon is merely stored and not used, telling an employee they can not have a weapon in their car is exactly like telling that employee they may not have a pack of cigarettes in the glove box.

    If we were talking about the driveway of someone's home there would be no question, but I think a business has to accommodate the public here even when some of the public work on the premises.

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    Re: Guns Legal Now In Texas' Work Place Parking Lots

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    As a carpenter I enter into people's homes to perform my work.
    Perhaps you don't carry it anymore, but I had an image of you with a framing hammer hanging from your belt. I wonder if these rubes understand how deadly a framing hammer is while they walk by men wielding them all the time. In the image the customer is telling you how scary it would be if all these men had lethal tools on them, and you are holding your framing hammer and watching several others being employed, and it looked, like you were chuckling on the inside

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    Re: Guns Legal Now In Texas' Work Place Parking Lots

    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio View Post
    That's why I live here You enter my home... I'll shoot you, and I won't stop to ask you to "freeze" I won't wait to figure out your intentions... I'll shoot you till you're dead. Then I'll call the cops to come clean up.
    You would not try to shoot them where they could not get up and then call 911? You would really shoot for death?

    If so? We finally agree on something. You break into my home? You probably will die!

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    Re: Guns Legal Now In Texas' Work Place Parking Lots

    Quote Originally Posted by rathi View Post
    This is unreasonable. Employers have every right to set restrictions on what employees can bring to the workplace. The right to own a gun does not mean you can bring it onto other peoples property against their will. If you want to bring a gun to work, find an employer who allows it or just park your car off the campus. I find the undermining of property rights disturbing.




    I don't consider my employees cars "my workplace" and I utilize outside sales.
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    Re: Guns Legal Now In Texas' Work Place Parking Lots

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    I'm curious. This law seems to unsurp the rights of the business owner. If I am reading this correctly, if the business owner does not want an employee to carry a weapon, this law negates that.
    Oh look, there you are trying to be above it all, show you're realllllllly non-partisan and above it all by twisting the verbage around to show that there is another side and if you support the one you're a hypocrite!

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    So, for consistency's sake, those of you that agree with this, do you also agree that the government has the right to tell business owners that they cannot allow someone to smoke in their place of business?
    Nice try, but that's not what it says at all, as I believe Jerry clears up the post down from mine.

    Now that I know exactly how you play this game, I'm gonna call you out on it. Nice try...

    The subject at hand is what employees can have in their POV's while traversing to and from work. Not if they can pack heat in businesses.
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    Re: Guns Legal Now In Texas' Work Place Parking Lots

    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio View Post
    Oh look, there you are trying to be above it all, show you're realllllllly non-partisan and above it all by twisting the verbage around to show that there is another side and if you support the one you're a hypocrite!


    Nice try, but that's not what it says at all, as I believe Jerry clears up the post down from mine.

    Now that I know exactly how you play this game, I'm gonna call you out on it. Nice try...

    The subject at hand is what employees can have in their POV's while traversing to and from work. Not if they can pack heat in businesses.
    "Don`t ask Don`t tell".... "I have a heater in my car". "You`re fired dumbass"!

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    Re: Guns Legal Now In Texas' Work Place Parking Lots

    Quote Originally Posted by Kali View Post
    I do not see a real problem with this if they have permits or whatever.

    Now.. If I could just get my crappy workplace to understand that my smoking out in my very own car is not near as bad as my right to carry a Glock or whatever to work?

    Honestly, some people can have guns in their cars at work but I am not suppose to smoke a cig? What is wrong with this picture and my police state?
    The gun owner isn't using the gun in their car, not even to clean it, whereas you are using your cigarettes.

    A little gun oil on the hands doesn’t smell anywhere near as bad as a work uniform saturated with cigarette smoke…and yes, we can smell it.

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    Re: Guns Legal Now In Texas' Work Place Parking Lots

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    A little gun oil on the hands doesn’t smell anywhere near as bad as a work uniform saturated with cigarette smoke…and yes, we can smell it.
    So you can smell it big whoop. There are perfumes I cannot stand. I don't think they should be banned.

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    Re: Guns Legal Now In Texas' Work Place Parking Lots

    Before the smoking analogies go any further, let's note that the natural right of self-defense is protected in the Constitution, and cannot be properly compared to issues that are not Constitutional rights.

    Having said that, I also think an employer forbidding you to smoke in your own car is overboard.

    It is a necessity, sometimes, to determine where Person A's right to ____ ends, and Person B's right to _____ begins. I think we need to redefine private property a bit....your own home and yard is one thing, it is indeed private. A business with employees and/or one that is normally open to the public is a slightly different thing: people who walk in the door of your business are not surrendering their natural human rights at the door. There has to be a balance between the biz owner's property rights and the rights of those he employs or who are customers, since he opened the property to others by hiring employees.

    Employee does not mean slave.

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    Re: Guns Legal Now In Texas' Work Place Parking Lots

    Quote Originally Posted by Voidwar View Post
    Perhaps you don't carry it anymore, but I had an image of you with a framing hammer hanging from your belt. I wonder if these rubes understand how deadly a framing hammer is while they walk by men wielding them all the time. In the image the customer is telling you how scary it would be if all these men had lethal tools on them, and you are holding your framing hammer and watching several others being employed, and it looked, like you were chuckling on the inside
    SD considers this a firearm:

    Hilti Single-Cartridge Powder-Actuated Tool, .22 Caliber, DX E72 - 1092 at The Home Depot



    Consider it a breach action .22, and yes the rounds get much, much larger.

    You need to be 18 (not 21) to buy, and one only needs an easy-to-get safety certificate to use. No concealed carry required.

    This tool's primary use is to fasten steel base plate to concrete floors and to fasten steel members to other steel members.

    To those who are predisposed to an unhealthy fear of being assaulted, please keep in mind that this gun is much easier to get than a lawfully owned and carried pistol. I doubt the avarage homeowner would think anything of it if they saw one of these holstered on my belt while erecting steel walls in their basement.

    As a tangent: For homeowners who simply, for whatever reason, do_not_want any firearm of any kind in their house whatsoever, there are other fastening methods such as Tapcon. Those methods, however, take longer and that means the homeowner will pay a bit more.
    Last edited by Jerry; 03-28-09 at 12:36 PM.

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