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    Re: Call for higher circumcision rate

    Quote Originally Posted by jallman View Post
    Why yes...yes it does.

    and you wonder why a call the urge to remove men's foreskin an obsession

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    Re: Call for higher circumcision rate

    Quote Originally Posted by Canadian-bloke View Post
    and you wonder why a call the urge to remove men's foreskin an obsession
    I was just agreeing with you, pal.

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    Re: Call for higher circumcision rate

    Quote Originally Posted by jallman View Post
    Why yes...yes it does. Thank you for confessing that.
    it's typo explain why circumfetish america has the highest rates of STDs in the industrialized world

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    Re: Call for higher circumcision rate

    Quote Originally Posted by Canadian-bloke View Post
    it's typo explain why circumfetish america has the highest rates of STDs in the industrialized world
    I'm not answering any position that begins with hyperemotional hysteria like "circumfetish". That is not debate.

    Further, I am not required to answer for that as you have failed to show any relevance in that issue. When you can make that position more than a post hoc ergo propter hoc fallacy without throwing hysterics into it, then I may be inclined to address it.

    You basically just decided to make a subject change (back to a subject that scored no points for your argument to start with) because you were losing ground on the current subject within the discussion. Am I to see this as capitulation that you cannot show methodology issues with the studies, therefore the studies are valid? Well, I already knew this all along. Glad you are catching up.
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    Re: Call for higher circumcision rate

    Quote Originally Posted by jallman View Post
    I'm not answering any position that begins with hyperemotional hysteria like "circumfetish". That is not debate.

    Further, I am not required to answer for that as you have failed to show any relevance in that issue. When you can make that position more than a post hoc ergo propter hoc fallacy without throwing hysterics into it, then I may be inclined to address it.

    The U.S is a circumfetish nation with an obsession with circumcision and you also have an obsession to remove men's foreskin. I already debunked the myths used to justify male genital mutilation. i am not going to repeat myself

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    Re: Call for higher circumcision rate

    Quote Originally Posted by Canadian-bloke View Post
    The U.S is a circumfetish nation with an obsession with circumcision and you also have an obsession to remove men's foreskin. I already debunked the myths used to justify male genital mutilation. i am not going to repeat myself
    So now you switch back to baseless ad homs?

    And you have debunked nothing. Point for point, you have been shown to be wrong. You have impotently attacked the studies, exhibited futility in linking data that does not link, and defaulted to ad homs when your positions were not holding.

    And repeating yourself isn't going to make a difference if you were flat out wrong the first time you voiced your position so not repeating yourself is probably your wisest course of action.

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    Re: Call for higher circumcision rate

    Quote Originally Posted by jallman View Post
    So now you switch back to baseless ad homs?

    And you have debunked nothing. Point for point, you have been shown to be wrong. You have impotently attacked the studies, exhibited futility in linking data that does not link, and defaulted to ad homs when your positions were not holding.

    And repeating yourself isn't going to make a difference if you were flat out wrong the first time you voiced your position so not repeating yourself is probably your wisest course of action.


    you cannot explain why intact europe and japan have the lowest STD/HIV rates in the world


    you ignore the fact that Africa which these studies are based on is filled with poverty and diseases like malaria, superstitions, lack of health care and education on health and sexuality which are responsible for high STD/HIV rates

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    Re: Call for higher circumcision rate

    Quote Originally Posted by Canadian-bloke View Post
    you cannot explain why intact europe and japan have the lowest STD/HIV rates in the world
    I'm not required to until you show that circumcision has some sort of causational relationship. Until you do, it is irrelevant and that is the only response you will recieve.

    you ignore the fact that Africa which these studies are based on is filled with poverty and diseases like malaria, superstitions, lack of health care and education on health and sexuality which are responsible for high STD/HIV rates
    Which has nothing to do with the methodology of the study when the control group only has one variable's difference from the test group. All of those things may contribute to HIV rates but that in no way diminishes the utility of circumcision in reducing transmission rates.

    You can keep repeating it from now till the day the server rusts, but it won't make your position any more correct than it was the first time you stated it.

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    Re: Call for higher circumcision rate

    Quote Originally Posted by Canadian-bloke View Post



    only people who support cutting unconsenting individuals will never understand
    We do alot of stuff to people without their consent.

    Its childish to think that an infant is able to give consent to something anyways, and the lack of capability to give consent does not mean we should not continue to go with our plans.
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    Thus my obligatory condemnation of White supremacy will now be in every post, lest I be accused of supporting it because I didn't mention it specifically every time I post.

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    Re: Call for higher circumcision rate

    Quote Originally Posted by jallman View Post
    Studies disagree with you. STD transmission rate is reduced by 50% in circumcised males.
    STD transmission rate is reduced to zero for people who do not have sex with infected males.

    Here's an idea, make the treatment for STD's include castration.

    Justify the pre-emptive mutilation of the penises of all new-born infants based on the POTENTIAL for any of them to spread a disease they have not yet contracted. Where does this fit in medical ethics? Answer: it is not ethical.

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