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    Re: Call for higher circumcision rate

    Quote Originally Posted by aps View Post
    But if you notice, that skin would partially grow back because your nephew's body needs it. I don't see skin growing back on a penis because, clearly, the body doesn't need it.
    Ah, okay, then the labia of my niece. And her clitoral hood. Wouldn't want any 'gunk' getting under there.

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    Re: Call for higher circumcision rate

    Quote Originally Posted by rivrrat View Post
    Ah, okay, then the labia of my niece. And her clitoral hood. Wouldn't want any 'gunk' getting under there.
    Okay. I don't see comparing the female genitalia to the male genitalia as comparing apples to apples.

    I read parts of the article. I don't see that the AAP is saying they don't recommend it. I see as their addressing the pluses and minuses of having a circumcision so that parents can be informed and determine what is in the best interest of the child.

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    Re: Call for higher circumcision rate

    Quote Originally Posted by rivrrat View Post
    Cutting off a chunk of skin isn't mutilation?

    Well, I think my nephew's arms are too "ugly". Maybe I should take a knife and slice chunks of skin out of his arms. I mean, it won't impact the function of the arms, and *I* don't think it's mutilation.
    Yeah, what a horrendous comparison.

    For starters, i'd dare say the pain would be greater as unlike the penis if you cut off the skin on an arm its going to expose the area underneath it and also a larger chance of getting muscle, tendon, and other things that are more of an issue. Not to mention, unlike the penis, it would leave the arm exposed to external sources meaning infection becomes more likely during that time.

    Yes, looks are part of it for some as a joking thing. However the prime reason seems to typically be upkeep. Simply put, it is easier to upkeep on it when its cut. It has nearly 0 harmful reprucussions to the person.

    Lets look at the actual DEFINITION of mutilation shall we?

    "an injury that causes disfigurement or that deprives you of a limb or other important body part "

    "Mutilation or maiming is an act or physical injury that degrades the appearance or function of the (human) body, usually without causing death"

    "mutilated - maimed: having a part of the body crippled or disabled "

    Definitions of Mutilation

    just a coupe that came up.

    Disfigurement? Arguable since even that is speaking of the spoiling of appearance and again that does go back to the "how it looks. But even then, it does not deprive one of limb or body part.

    The next definition? Degrades the appearance (debatable) or the function? Hmm, doesn't degrade the function at all. not mutilation by that definitoin.

    Having the body crippled or disabled. Preeeeeeeety sure my guy's still working so I don't think that's the case.

    No, sorry, its not mutilation and the attempt to compare it or allued to the abomonable things being done in other places in the world that actually DOES have a legitimate negative effect upon the organ is amazingly dishonest and frankly just makes your entire argument look like it belongs in the realm of something on SNL than a debate site.

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    Re: Call for higher circumcision rate

    Quote Originally Posted by rivrrat View Post
    Hell, while we're at it, we should cut off my nieces labia and her clitoral hood.
    Oh gosh, the thought of female mutilation makes me shudder. Those people who do that also give supposed benefits of it. Thankfully, I don't live anywhere near those people.
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    Re: Call for higher circumcision rate

    Quote Originally Posted by rivrrat View Post
    Ah, okay, then the labia of my niece. And her clitoral hood. Wouldn't want any 'gunk' getting under there.
    Circumcision is not intended to prevent orgasm! And there are possible long-term health complications from female genital mutilation including UTIs, infertility, and pregnancy complications.

    Comparing circs to FGM is absurd.

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    Re: Call for higher circumcision rate

    Quote Originally Posted by americanwoman View Post
    Oh gosh, the thought of female mutilation makes me shudder. Those people who do that also give supposed benefits of it. Thankfully, I don't live anywhere near those people.
    There was an article on the front page of the Washington Post describing this young girl thinking she is going to some party for herself. It describes her entering the room happy and then realizing why she was there. I couldn't read it anymore and literally wept. It sickens me.

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    Re: Call for higher circumcision rate

    Definitely. I mean, if there was a significant chance of any kind of significant loss to pleasure or function down there then I'd be on the other side of things in regards to guys. But there's not. There's on conclussive evidence that its less sensitive, or functions any worse, if one is circumsized and one isn't. That's, from all I understand about it, not the case with what's done with females.

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    Re: Call for higher circumcision rate

    Circumcisions simply because some goofballs think uncircumcised is "ugly"?

    That makes no sense at all because, it doesn't matter how they are wrapped, ALL penises are ugly.
    Last edited by Tucker Case; 03-26-09 at 01:33 PM.

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    Re: Call for higher circumcision rate

    Quote Originally Posted by aps View Post
    Jewish people have been doing it for years.

    I could see the concern if the removal of the skin (1) impacted the man's ability to urinate; (2) impacted the man's ability to have an orgasm; and/or (3) impacted the whole functioning of the penis.
    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    Definitely. I mean, if there was a significant chance of any kind of significant loss to pleasure or function down there then I'd be on the other side of things in regards to guys. But there's not. There's on conclussive evidence that its less sensitive, or functions any worse, if one is circumsized and one isn't. That's, from all I understand about it, not the case with what's done with females.
    http://www.luckystiff.org/circumcisi...umcision-4.pdf
    starting on page 3 from the article "Mommy where is my foreskin'

    Circumcision desensitizes:
    Circumcision desensitizes the penis radically. Foreskin amputation means severing the rich nerve network and all the nerve receptors in the foreskin itself. Circumcision almost always damages or destroys the frenulum. The loss of the protective foreskin desensitizes
    the glans. Because the membrane covering the permanently externalized
    glans is now subjected to constant abrasion and irritation, it keratinizes, becoming dry and tough. The nerve endings in the glans, which in the intact penis are just beneath the surface of the mucous membrane,
    are now buried by successive layers of keratinization. The denuded glans
    takes on a dull, grayish, sclerotic

    while orgasms are great, if they could be better due to higher sensitivity....
    Quote Originally Posted by Tucker Case View Post
    Circumcisions simply because some goofballs think uncircumcised is "ugly"?

    That makes no sense at all because, it doesn't matter how they are wrapped, ALL penises are ugly.
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    How the hell did you just tie in a retroactive reparative measure with a proactive preventative measure. Not even close to being the same thing.

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    Re: Call for higher circumcision rate

    Quote Originally Posted by Tucker Case View Post
    Circumcisions simply because some goofballs think uncircumcised is "ugly"?

    That makes no sense at all because, it doesn't matter how they are wrapped, ALL penises are ugly.
    And you've seen all to compare?
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