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    Re: Call for higher circumcision rate

    The common law right to bodily integrity was affirmed by the U. S. Supreme Court in 1891

    Union Pacific Railway Company v. Botsford

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    Re: Call for higher circumcision rate

    Quote Originally Posted by Canadian-bloke View Post
    The common law right to bodily integrity was affirmed by the U. S. Supreme Court in 1891

    Union Pacific Railway Company v. Botsford
    Nothing in that case law establishes a right to bodily integrity. If anything, it establishes that a person may not be searched except by reasonable authority of law, nor may they have their personal effects worn on the body removed as payment on a judgment against them. It also establishes that surgery may not be used as a means of discovery during a legal matter.
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    Re: Call for higher circumcision rate

    Anyone thinking about getting cut should first check out this site:DIY Home Improvement Information | DoItYourself.com

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    Re: Call for higher circumcision rate

    Quote Originally Posted by jallman View Post
    And hygeine. Sorry, but you're argumentative demeanor isn't going to score you any points if you don't bring sumpin to back it up. kthanxbai.
    Argumentative demeanor is kinda required in a DEBATE FORUM. nice try at dismissal though, however transparent...
    Now if you'd kindly post the source you have that says we trim our hair and nails for hygiene. We wash our hair for hygiene but we trim it for aesthetics.

    And what do all those have in common? Complete removal of the limb. BUZZZ...sorry but you fail again.
    You can't read or what? The first one - number 1 says
    1. to cut off (all or part of a limb or digit of the body), as by surgery.
    Obviously you've never pruned a tree, you can prune any portion of a branch. I'll admit, that one is antiquated

    I think you need to show some citation that the World Health Organization is pushing CHRISTianity.
    You're right it's actually Judeo-christian. Circumcision is a religious covenant. It was created by and for religion. We don't want to change the traditional meaning of marria... er... I mean circumcision do we? It's tradition after all.

    And this isn't a matter of which is better, it is a matter of what are and aren't effective measures. And circumcision is an effective measure. You know...that whole 50% decrease in STD transmission thing. You still haven't refuted the benefits of that.
    You still haven't acknowledged that surgery to remove healthy tissue should be the last stop, not the first. You still haven't acknowledged that you can prevent appendicitis by removing the appendix... Surgery is supposed to be the last resort.

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    Re: Call for higher circumcision rate

    Quote Originally Posted by jallman View Post
    I'm not spending time answering posts that are full of nothing but hyperbole and hyper emotional rant like "circumfetish states of america".

    Try refuting the world health organization's statistics and data, then get back to me. You've been thoroughly trounced point for point.
    Oh look a dodge... I wonder how many times you've called other people out for not wanting to waste their time.

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    Re: Call for higher circumcision rate

    Quote Originally Posted by Caine View Post
    So?

    Its his body, his choice
    Isn't that one of the major points? The child has no choice.

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    Re: Call for higher circumcision rate

    Quote Originally Posted by jallman View Post
    Where is that right enumerated?
    So if someone held you down and without anesthesia, removed a strip of skin from your arm, just skin, no tendon or muscle, you wouldn't have any legal remedy against that person? Hey they only removed a little skin, what's you're beef?

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    Re: Call for higher circumcision rate

    Quote Originally Posted by Caine View Post
    Im still confused on where this outrage comes from?

    Who decided to say, "I think I'll crusade against OTHER PEOPLE making the decision to circumcise OTHER PEOPLE."

    Where does this come from? How does one go about to become an advocate for the abolition of circumcision?
    So you're saying that if something happens to someone else, it's no ones business but that person? I guess white men shouldn't have marched for civil rights FOR OTHERS.

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    Re: Call for higher circumcision rate

    Quote Originally Posted by Slippery Slope View Post
    So if someone held you down and without anesthesia, removed a strip of skin from your arm, just skin, no tendon or muscle, you wouldn't have any legal remedy against that person? Hey they only removed a little skin, what's you're beef?
    Yeah, they would be guilty of assault. Now if a parent has an approved medical procedure performed on their child to promote good hygeine and decreased chance of STD transmission (something none of you have refuted), then that would be acceptable.

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    Re: Call for higher circumcision rate

    Quote Originally Posted by Slippery Slope View Post
    Argumentative demeanor is kinda required in a DEBATE FORUM. nice try at dismissal though, however transparent...
    It wasn't a try at dismissal. You've it's been dismissed.

    You can't read or what? The first one - number 1 says
    You can't refrain from asking idiotic questions intended only to inflame or what?

    Yeah, I saw what it says. And it still does not negate the fact that amputation and excision are not the same thing. It still does not negate the fact that circumcision is not an amputation. Get over it and move on.

    Obviously you've never pruned a tree, you can prune any portion of a branch. I'll admit, that one is antiquated
    You obviously don't know anything about me. I grew up on a farm with an apple orchard. Yes, I have pruned a tree. Which has nothing to do with the incorrect application of the word "amputation".

    You're right it's actually Judeo-christian. Circumcision is a religious covenant. It was created by and for religion. We don't want to change the traditional meaning of marria... er... I mean circumcision do we? It's tradition after all.
    Oh here we go with gratuitous "Baby Jebus knocked me down and stole my bicycle when I was 5" rant...

    You still haven't acknowledged that surgery to remove healthy tissue should be the last stop, not the first.
    I have. I said I don't agree with your assessment. I thought you understand what a disagreement is.

    You still haven't acknowledged that you can prevent appendicitis by removing the appendix...
    Why would I bother to specifically acknowledge the obvious?

    Surgery is supposed to be the last resort.
    Except boob implants, face lifts, chin and nose jobs. Oh wait...but they don't have any coinciding religious context so no need to kick and scream and whine and cry about those.

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