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    Re: Call for higher circumcision rate

    Quote Originally Posted by Tucker Case View Post
    Correlation does not suggest causation.

    Are there religious.social reasons these men are intact? Is it a larger sample of men? Smaller?

    The numbers alone don't tell any tales.

    For example, if 86% of uncircumcised men in Swaziland are in a group that forbids any sexual contact outside of marriage under penalty of death, the rates would be high by comparison.

    Without any context, those numbers are useless.


    In Africa there are tribes and groups that circumcised boys in initations which signal transition from boyhood to adult manhood and others who don't perform circumcisions

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    Re: Call for higher circumcision rate

    Quote Originally Posted by Canadian-bloke View Post
    Hair and fingernails don't have nerves and blood vessels and cutting those off ARE NOT painfull.
    So now we're going to move the goal posts because your absolute was rebutted. OK, but my point stands...we DO remove pieces of the body for hygeine reasons.

    removal of the healthy foreskin is AMPUTATION
    No, it is not. It is an excision.

    amputation is removal of an entire limb.

    But let's not let facts get in the way of a good emotionally hysterical misdirection, now.

    and NOT medically necessary NO medical organization around the world say circumcision is medically necessary
    Really? Because it seems like the World Health Organization and UNAIDS, two very prominent medical organizations, seem to be promoting cicumcision pretty hard.

    and those studies are nothing more than american circumfetisdh propaganda
    Really? got anything more than hyper emotional caterwauling because umm...the studies the WHO and UNAIDS are calling on seem to have been promoted by and overseen by a Belgian, so that just shoots your whole theory out of the water right there, now doesn't it?

    all of WHICH IGNORES THE HIGH rates of STDS in circumcising U.S.A The Highest in the developed world where most men are circumcised
    Links and facts please?
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    Re: Call for higher circumcision rate

    Quote Originally Posted by Slippery Slope View Post
    What? It is a religious tradition which, in it's origin, had nothing to do with hygiene. To deny this is...

    The issue of Hygiene came about to stop the questions from the nonreligious or non-Judeo-xians. I'm not going to go as far as claiming it a xian conspiracy but some have.
    So basically, you're a little pissy because something religious turned out to be, coincidentally, beneficial.

    No surprise there.

    Until you can refute the studies, you are basically blowing a lot of hot air and talking out your ass. As usual.

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    Re: Call for higher circumcision rate

    Quote Originally Posted by Caine View Post
    13. To facilitate the production of dick cheese (aka Smegma).


    ..........
    Ever been near an unclean pussy? Me neither but I hear... So why don't you tell us all about dick cheese.

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    Re: Call for higher circumcision rate

    Quote Originally Posted by Caine View Post
    Females aren't the topic of discussion, and neither is their dick cheese.
    And yet you brought it up...

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    Re: Call for higher circumcision rate

    Quote Originally Posted by Canadian-bloke View Post
    In Africa there are tribes and groups that circumcised boys in initations which signal transition from boyhood to adult manhood and others who don't perform circumcisions
    Common sense indicates that the existence of both circumcised and uncircumcised men is enough for that data to be obvious.
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    Re: Call for higher circumcision rate

    So now we're going to move the goal posts because your absolute was rebutted. OK, but my point stands...we DO remove pieces of the body for hygeine reasons.
    Hair and fingernails and toenails DO NOT HAVE nerves and blood vessels

    No, it is not. It is an excision.

    amputation is removal of an entire limb.

    But let's not let facts get in the way of a good emotionally hysterical misdirection, now.
    Whose body whose penises? leave the intact boys alone yhe foreskin is a healthy body and an ontegral part of the penis the functions are

    Erotic pleasure, especially via the ridged band and Meissner's corpuscles

    Acts as a rolling bearing in intercourse and masturbation

    Prevents dyspareunia (painful intercourse)

    Stimulates partner's genitalia, giving erotic pleasure

    Supplies skin to cover the shaft in erection and prevent tightness

    Stores pheromones and releases them on arousal

    Stores, releases and helps distribute natural lubricants ("smega" and pre-ejaculatory fluid)

    Makes the glans a visual signal of sexual arousal

    Provides a seal against the vaginal wall to contain semen
    Protective

    Prevents the glans becoming keratinised, and keeps it soft and moist

    Protects the thin-skinned glans against injury

    Protects the nerves of the glans, retaining their erotic function


    In infancy, protects the urethra against contamination, meatal stenosis, (and UTIs?)


    Provides lysosomes for bacteriostatic action around the glans

    Pigmented, it protects the unpigmented glans against sunburn

    Vascular (rich in blood vessels that bring heat to the tissues), it protects the less vascular glans against frostbite, as Sir Ranulph Fiennes found on his epic transpolar walk.

    Really? Because it seems like the World Health Organization and UNAIDS, two very prominent medical organizations, seem to be promoting cicumcision pretty hard.

    and Most of the world outside of U.S.A and isreal disagrees and

    including Canada

    "Circumcision of newborns should not be routinely performed." The Fetus and Newborn Committee and the Canadian Paediatric Society. March 15, 1996 Recommendations published - CMA Journal.


    Really? got anything more than hyper emotional caterwauling because umm...the studies the WHO and UNAIDS are calling on seem to have been promoted by and overseen by a Belgian, so that just shoots your whole theory out of the water right there, now doesn't it?
    again no national medical organization recommended circumcision

    and there are better way like contraception and sex education to reduce and fight STDs



    Links and facts please?



    STD Prevention Today

    Despite the fact that a great deal of progress has been made in STD prevention over the past four decades, the United States has the highest rates of STD infection in the industrialized world, making prevention as important as ever.

    The U.S centre for disease control

    CDC NPIN STDs Prevention Today

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    Re: Call for higher circumcision rate

    Wow, so even when faced with a bulletin directly from the WHO and UNAIDS that tells you they recommend it, along with a statement detailing who, including national health organizations, was involved, you're really going to keep going with this. Amazing.

    Quote Originally Posted by Canadian-bloke
    Hair and fingernails and toenails DO NOT HAVE nerves and blood vessels
    So? Irrelevant in refuting your statement that we do not remove body parts for hygeine reasons. Blood vessels and nerves were not a stipulations. You got burned by stating an absolute. Deal with it and move on.

    Whose body whose penises? leave the intact boys alone yhe foreskin is a healthy body and an ontegral part of the penis the functions are

    Erotic pleasure, especially via the ridged band and Meissner's corpuscles

    Acts as a rolling bearing in intercourse and masturbation

    Prevents dyspareunia (painful intercourse)

    Stimulates partner's genitalia, giving erotic pleasure

    Supplies skin to cover the shaft in erection and prevent tightness

    Stores pheromones and releases them on arousal

    Stores, releases and helps distribute natural lubricants ("smega" and pre-ejaculatory fluid)

    Makes the glans a visual signal of sexual arousal

    Provides a seal against the vaginal wall to contain semen
    Protective

    Prevents the glans becoming keratinised, and keeps it soft and moist

    Protects the thin-skinned glans against injury

    Protects the nerves of the glans, retaining their erotic function


    In infancy, protects the urethra against contamination, meatal stenosis, (and UTIs?)


    Provides lysosomes for bacteriostatic action around the glans

    Pigmented, it protects the unpigmented glans against sunburn

    Vascular (rich in blood vessels that bring heat to the tissues), it protects the less vascular glans against frostbite, as Sir Ranulph Fiennes found on his epic transpolar walk.
    None of which rebuts my point, but whatever.

    and Most of the world outside of U.S.A and isreal disagrees and

    including Canada

    "Circumcision of newborns should not be routinely performed." The Fetus and Newborn Committee and the Canadian Paediatric Society. March 15, 1996 Recommendations published - CMA Journal.
    By most of the world, you mean Canada? Because the WORLD HEALTH ORGANIZATION, disagrees with Canada.

    again no national medical organization recommended circumcision

    and there are better way like contraception and sex education to reduce and fight STDs
    Survey says...

    XXX

    The whole "national health organization" is just you moving the goal posts again when you got smacked down on your lie that no health organization has recommended circumcision. Sorry, but that doesn't fly. You got burned again by stating an absolute.

    And who, pray tell do you think comprises the WHO? ZOMG...it's the national health organizations that make up the UN. Wow...funny, that.

    STD Prevention Today

    Despite the fact that a great deal of progress has been made in STD prevention over the past four decades, the United States has the highest rates of STD infection in the industrialized world, making prevention as important as ever.

    The U.S centre for disease control

    CDC NPIN STDs Prevention Today
    Wonderful. Now what, in all that, indicates anything in opposition to what the WHO and UNAIDS, among others, has had to say about circumcision helping prevent HIV and STD infection?
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    Re: Call for higher circumcision rate

    This is still going on?

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    Re: Call for higher circumcision rate

    Quote Originally Posted by jallman View Post
    Now that we got your little ad hom problem cleared up...
    Yeah, new guy, remember, when making ad homs you must avoid using the persons name. Some people learned this and some people, now designate themselves as selfrighteous hypocrite hall monitors who will report you because they can't be moderators themselves.

    We remove pieces of the body for health and hygeine already. We cut hair, fingernails, toenails. We remove the tonsils and appendix. We perform cosmetic surgery and we add lap bands to the obese.
    No remove tonsils and appendix because they are infected. If your doctor tells you to have your healthy tonsils or appendix removed preemptively, you should RUN not walk away from him/her.

    Hair and nails... need some more straws to grasp at?

    Removal of the foreskin is also a far cry from "amputation" which is the removal of a limb.
    Circumcision does fall within the definition.

    It is an unnecessary and problematic piece of the penis
    Citations?

    and removal of it, has has been shown by 25 year studies, can have very beneficial effects. A 50% reduction in transmission and contraction of STD's is definitely worth the procedure being done when the child is very young.
    citations?

    Wearing a condom is more effective.

    Mutilation is nothing more than charged rhetoric meant to vilify and denigrate with hysterical emotional rant rather than have an honest discussion about the health pros and cons of circumcision.
    And afterwords we'll discuss the pros and cons of removing fingers to prevent theft.

    The honest debate is no debate. Teach your kids to wash their penis/vagina/ass and they will be more healthy instead of mutilating for the sake of ease.

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