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    Re: Call for higher circumcision rate

    They circumcise me again, I ain't gonna have nothing left.

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    Re: Call for higher circumcision rate

    Quote Originally Posted by jallman View Post
    Bull****. It's a hygeine issue as I already pointed out. You can toss out loaded words like "mutilate" but the fact it, circumcision has been proven to decrease STD's. Until you can refute that, you are just talking out your ass.

    Plus, uncircumcised penises are just ugly. They look like some kind of ant-eater or something. That's just not attractive.


    the intact penis is easy to clean are american circumfetisgh sick types are so lazy that they resort to genital mutilation for hygiene purposes? where in the medical code of ethich justify amputation of healthy body parts for hygeinic purposes?

    jallman and the FGM crowd are SICK!



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    "An uncircumcised vulva is unclean and only the lowest prostitute would leave her daughter uncircumcised. No man would dream of marrying an unclean woman. He would be laughed at by everyone."


    and i love how the mutilationist are dodging my questions

    WHERE IN THE MEDICAL CODE OF ETHICS Justify amputation of healthy body parts for health and hygeinic reasons?




    turkish circumfetish whines

    If you consider surgery mutilation, why do people with heart disease mutilate themselves for a new heart? Its beyond me too DJ.

    Or do you want me to get out the facts of circumcision?

    Should not the purpose of surgery and any medical treatment be to help preserve parts of the human body as long as possible - or is it to amputate normal and vital body parts of non-consenting individuals?

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    Is it a legitimate practice to amputate normal, healthy and vital body parts on non consenting individuals because it may someday prevent a disease or condition? If so - how many body parts of children should parents be permitted to amputate in order to prevent future problems? How far do we extend this lunacy?

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    Where in any medical code of ethics is surgery recommended to facilitate hygiene?


    Kaya That turkish circumfetish person continues


    This has nothing to do with religion! Is this what this is all about?? Do you really think it will make you any less the good christian boy you are if you get circumcised? This is about scientific fact about hygiene and sexual infection/disease transmission, not what Jesus says!

    What scientific facts? kaya? where in the medical code justify cutting off healthy body parts to prevent diseases and facilitate hygeine?

    Caine says!

    Females aren't the topic of discussion, and neither is their dick cheese.
    the FGM crowd along with MGM supporting americans used the same arguments justifying genital mutilation

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    Re: Call for higher circumcision rate

    Quote Originally Posted by Canadian-bloke View Post
    the intact penis is easy to clean are american circumfetisgh sick types are so lazy that they resort to genital mutilation for hygiene purposes? where in the medical code of ethich justify amputation of healthy body parts for hygeinic purposes?

    jallman and the FGM crowd are SICK!
    I had intentions of responding until you decided that ad homs would be a good way to introduce yourself into this conversation. So instead, I just reported.

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    Re: Call for higher circumcision rate

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    Re: Call for higher circumcision rate

    more voilations of human rights ans the right to bodily integrety

    Intactivism news

    Zambia Police to circumcise all male recruits

    The Zambia Police Service says plans are underway to introduce a mandatory circumcision policy for all male recruits.

    Kamfinsa Police training school commanding Officer, Malcom Mulenga, says male circumcision will help prevent HIV and AIDS cases in the Police service.

    Mr. Mulenga, says the Zambia Police Service has continued to lose qualified manpower as a result HIV/AIDS.

    He was speaking when the American government handed over a Voluntary Counselling and Testing centre to the Zambia Police Service.

    At the same function, Home Affairs deputy Minister, Misheck Bonshe, welcomed plans by the Zambia Police Service to circumcise male recruits.

    And the United States Charge d’ Affairs for Zambia, Michael Koplovsky, said his government has set aside K1.5 billion for the construction of health centres for police officers.




    "Mandatory or coerced male circumcision is a violation of a range of human rights, including rights to dignity, bodily integrity and personal autonomy."

    UNAIDS
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    Re: Call for higher circumcision rate

    Quote Originally Posted by Canadian-bloke View Post
    WHERE IN THE MEDICAL CODE OF ETHICS Justify amputation of healthy body parts for health and hygeinic reasons?
    Now that we got your little ad hom problem cleared up...

    We remove pieces of the body for health and hygeine already. We cut hair, fingernails, toenails. We remove the tonsils and appendix. We perform cosmetic surgery and we add lap bands to the obese.

    Removal of the foreskin is also a far cry from "amputation" which is the removal of a limb. It is an unnecessary and problematic piece of the penis and removal of it, has has been shown by 25 year studies, can have very beneficial effects. A 50% reduction in transmission and contraction of STD's is definitely worth the procedure being done when the child is very young.

    Mutilation is nothing more than charged rhetoric meant to vilify and denigrate with hysterical emotional rant rather than have an honest discussion about the health pros and cons of circumcision.

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    Re: Call for higher circumcision rate

    Quote Originally Posted by jallman View Post
    Now that we got your little ad hom problem cleared up...

    We remove pieces of the body for health and hygeine already. We cut hair, fingernails, toenails. We remove the tonsils and appendix. We perform cosmetic surgery and we add lap bands to the obese.

    Removal of the foreskin is also a far cry from "amputation" which is the removal of a limb. It is an unnecessary and problematic piece of the penis and removal of it, has has been shown by 25 year studies, can have very beneficial effects. A 50% reduction in transmission and contraction of STD's is definitely worth the procedure being done when the child is very young.

    Mutilation is nothing more than charged rhetoric meant to vilify and denigrate with hysterical emotional rant rather than have an honest discussion about the health pros and cons of circumcision.

    Hair and fingernails don't have nerves and blood vessels and cutting those off ARE NOT painfull. removal of the healthy foreskin is AMPUTATION and NOT medically necessary NO medical organization around the world say circumcision is medically necessary and those studies are nothing more than american circumfetisdh propaganda all of WHICH IGNORES THE HIGH rates of STDS in circumcising U.S.A The Highest in the developed world where most men are circumcised

    and in about 7 african nations intact men have slightly lower rates of HIV



    some stats

    Zimbabwe

    HIV Rates:


    Circumcised men aged 20-49


    20%


    Intact men aged 20-49


    19%



    Swaziland

    HIV Rates:


    Circumcised men


    21.8%


    Intact men


    19.5%




    Rwanda

    HIV Rates:


    Circumcised men


    3.8%


    Intact men


    2.1%


    Ghana

    HIV rates


    Circumcised men


    1.6%


    Intact men


    1.4%

    above sources are from

    Demographic and Health Surveys: MEASURE DHS Home

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    Re: Call for higher circumcision rate

    Correlation does not suggest causation.

    Are there religious.social reasons these men are intact? Is it a larger sample of men? Smaller?

    The numbers alone don't tell any tales.

    For example, if 86% of uncircumcised men in Swaziland are in a group that forbids any sexual contact outside of marriage under penalty of death, the rates would be high by comparison.

    Without any context, those numbers are useless.
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    Re: Call for higher circumcision rate

    What have FGC opponents stated publicly
    about male genital cutting?

    What FGC Opponents Say About MGC

    Hanny Lightfoot-Klein (Author, Prisoners of Ritual: An Odyssey into Female Genital Circumcision in Africa) on p.193 of her book:

    "The reasons given for female circumcision in Africa and for routine male circumcision in the U.S. are essentially the same. Both falsely tout the positive health benefits of the procedures. Both promise cleanliness and the absence of "bad" genital odors, as well as greater attractiveness and acceptability of the sex organs. The affected individuals in both cultures have come to view these procedures as something that was done for them and not to them."

    How is Female Circumcision Trivialized?

    "Both Islam and medicine agree on its benefits. Uncircumcised girls…are more liable to infections and cancers."

    [Dr. Saed Thabet, professor gynecology at Cairo’s Kasr El Aini Teaching Hospital, quoted in "Female Circumcision is Curbed in Egypt," British Medical Journal, August 3, 1996]

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    Re: Call for higher circumcision rate

    Quote Originally Posted by jallman View Post
    Bull****. It's a hygeine issue as I already pointed out.
    What? It is a religious tradition which, in it's origin, had nothing to do with hygiene. To deny this is...

    The issue of Hygiene came about to stop the questions from the nonreligious or non-Judeo-xians. I'm not going to go as far as claiming it a xian conspiracy but some have.

    You can toss out loaded words like "mutilate" but the fact it, circumcision has been proven to decrease STD's. Until you can refute that, you are just talking out your ass.
    Loaded words... Yeah, we shouldn't say what it is really is because then people might start rethinking their position. I thought you cons were against being PC?

    And this ****ing retarded mantra about STDs... yeah, removing your appendix at birth is 100% effective at stopping Appendicitis.

    Plus, uncircumcised penises are just ugly. They look like some kind of ant-eater or something. That's just not attractive.
    In your opinion. The majority of the world, which does not engage in this practice, disagrees with you.

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